Do you think the governemnt is trying to get rid of poor people?

scorza said:
No I don't think the government is trying to get rid of poor people, I think they're trying to create more of them as you and a lot of others are finding out unfortunately :(
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I agree, and the more people they make unemployed the lower they can drag the wages of working people. Its just sad that the only political parties that will ever get into power in this country are the inept red or evil blue. :(
 
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First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.
Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?
First Collector: Plenty of prisons.
Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?
First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.
Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer: Why?
First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?
Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!
Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?
Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.
First Collector: Many can't go there.
Second Collector: And some would rather die.
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This thread made me think of that straight away :D
 
cjbagnall said:
I agree, and the more people they make unemployed the lower they can drag the wages of working people. Its just sad that the only political parties that will ever get into power in this country are the inept red or evil blue. :(
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Yes, because lowering the wages of those who work and thus receiving less in taxation is a great idea for a government. :rolleyes:
 
if you can't afford to raise a child, don't have a child

if you can't be responsible, don't have a child

of course, if you fit the above and still have a child, the government will be there for you with benefits and social care. not fair on the child though.
 
I think the problem lies where too many people are trying to live beyond their means.

For example instead of getting a cheaper car they get one that looks nice and pay miles more extra. Another example is purchasing a macbook air, iPad and an iPhone 4 when they really don't need them. Another example is getting take aways every 2 days or so and drinking lots of alcohol / smoke when they can't offord it.

I am not entirely sure what the government wants, every governments all over the place at the moment and always will be.

The only interest big powerful people have is money.... (greed and power).

oh and another thing, everyone has different priorities, different wants and different needs.
 
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[FnG]magnolia;21473446 said:
Darfur war orphans. Perspective is a hell of a thing.
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yeah you see this type of stuff really gets my goat.

shut up low income person, be grateful for what you've got.

oh hello Mr Billionaire do come in, what can we do for you, oh would you like to pay less tax and influence the way the country is run, of course that's fine.

we're all in this together
 
Tefal said:
they give you a house and free money if you have children and no job.

how is that discouraging poor people having kids?
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Because it doesn't take in to consideration those on low incomes and not on benefits. As it stands at the moment, even the rich get free money from having kids.
 
I dont know how many people are truely unemployed but there are supposed to be 29.1million people in work in the Uk, so about half the population works. The other half are obviously made up of children, pensioners, house wives, disabled, unemployed etc.
 
My grandad came from a family of about 10 siblings back in early 1900s they all worked, Grandad was in the Army then a POW in WW2 and ended up working down the pit, you don't need loads of money to raise children, make do with what you have, educate and hammer in morals and respect, fact is the people breeding now are utter utter scum, working is not seen as a necessity now, do you think they had benefit payments 200 years ago?
 
cheets64 said:
My grandad came from a family of about 10 siblings back in early 1900s they all worked, Grandad was in the Army then a POW in WW2 and ended up working down the pit, you don't need loads of money to raise children, make do with what you have, educate and hammer in morals and respect, fact is the people breeding now are utter utter scum, working is not seen as a necessity now, do you think they had benefit payments 200 years ago?
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Here here
You raise what you can afford
You raise them, and bring them up to be useful members of society

Scum class spawns more scum class, and £)(& me, I'm paying for it
Scum class is growing as is my taxbill, slowly incidiously, but it grows
Cut the tax on benefits, cut the benefits, let people donate to their local scum class if they feel the need to, else let them stop bloody breeding when they simply can't afford to, it is a complete rejection of any form of natural selection, an utter bastardisation of the criteria for said selection, where those who breed the hardest and fastest will be supported by the rest for the benefit of just the scum class
 
I think there trying to get rid of themselves and destroy everything in the process. I cant see how any of this is sustainable in the short term.

Even if people are passive and totally apathetic, unemployment, inflation, wages, pensions, pollution, energy, its either in stagnation or increasing. No long term plans.

THe poor will get poorer and increase its nothing to do with these individuals choices, its simple economics. If we extol the individual, and try and throw away what we think are the scum we will have no society and it will breakdown.
 
singularity said:
yeah you see this type of stuff really gets my goat.

shut up low income person, be grateful for what you've got.

oh hello Mr Billionaire do come in, what can we do for you, oh would you like to pay less tax and influence the way the country is run, of course that's fine.

we're all in this together
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That's not what is being suggested as far as I can tell - it's simply pointing out that while your life may not be ideal it's a damn long way from being as bad as it could be. We are still talking about someone who has a home, food, lighting, even an internet connection - I've got no doubt they'd prefer to be spending less on their rent as a proportion of their wages but equally they're not exactly destitute.

I'd also point out that [FnG]magnolia hasn't expressed any position on taxation or the super-rich so you may be unfairly attributing views to him that he doesn't hold.
 
It is the 99% Vs the 1%, only the 1% have nearly all the power and an incredible propoganda machine over the 99% we are all in (except maybe Spie the owner of these forums, and even then, he has chosen not to take part in government).

The only solution is revolution, but good luck convincing anyone of that. The people reject ideological struggle and stand for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration and apathy. As long as they have a roof and food, they are happy and grateful, whilst they are raped of their worth and the top 1% get more powerful and enjoy more. It's pathetic, I have no hope for society.
 
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