can someone take your photo in a private place?

gjrc · 27 Mar 2012 at 17:12

godinman said:
Show me on the bear where he touched you.

lol

Soundood · 27 Mar 2012 at 17:14

this exact thing happened to me in a public/private pub,

i was sitting on the Karzi, monkey style, and this guy crashes in taking pictures of me Defecating, i screamed at him to get out !!!!

he then uploaded the pictures to his site, but i had no worries though,as they were all crap

SexyGreyFox · 27 Mar 2012 at 17:14

hopeful_builder said:
A friends band played at a Pub, and some chump they dont like took photos of the band in and out of the pub and posted them online to add to his portfolio, despite not asking for permission and several requests to remove them they are still there

All I can say is the band are a bunch of big girls blouses.
A band that doesn't like free publicity? - pull the other one.

Xordium · 27 Mar 2012 at 18:23

RDM said:
Paranoid schools who don't really know the law very well?

I don't know I would be pretty annoyed if someone was taking pictures of my kids, without my knowledge, and making them available to the public and I guess the fact that I have to tick the really satisfied or think they are a bit **** part of the inspection report then swings their judgement.

As for the OP seriously a band not wanting this - does not compute.

Vulcan · 27 Mar 2012 at 18:44

Xordium said:
I don't know I would be pretty annoyed if someone was taking pictures of my kids

Why? Because you think the person taking the picture is a paedophile by default?

But regardless, you can't hide from cameras so it's an issue you're going to have to deal with.

Xordium · 27 Mar 2012 at 18:55

Longbow said:
Why? Because you think the person taking the picture is a paedophile by default?

But regardless, you can't hide from cameras so it's an issue you're going to have to deal with.

I just stated that in the case of schools then I believe the school should ask the permission of the parents and that I expect that. The relationship with the school is a partnership they expect things from me and me from them and that relationship works a lot better when there is common courtesy extended by both parties. Got a problem with that? No different from when I worked in a hospital - all imaging that would be shown outside of directly active medical teams required consent. It's a bit different from someone taking pictures in the local park and getting passers by in the shot.

Cr0fty · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:00

Dimple said:
All I can say is the band are a bunch of big girls blouses.
A band that doesn't like free publicity? - pull the other one.

Words from my own mouth :cool:

Were they morris dancing or something, 'cause then I'd feel their pain.

LordSplodge · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:05

Spenty said:
Just tell him one of the band members is under 16.

Yeah because you can't take pictures of under sixteens in public can you?

hopeful_builder said:
oo this is good, although the youngest is 32 and looks double that! lol shame though - I like your idea

It's a monumentally stupid idea.

D.P. · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:05

Xordium said:
I don't know I would be pretty annoyed if someone was taking pictures of my kids, without my knowledge, and making them available to the public and I guess the fact that I have to tick the really satisfied or think they are a bit **** part of the inspection report then swings their judgement.

As for the OP seriously a band not wanting this - does not compute.

Easy solution, put a bin bag (with eye and breathing holes) over your child's head. Otherwise get a grip.

:(Rhodri:) · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:23

D.P. said:
Easy solution, put a bin bag (with eye and breathing holes) over your child's head. Otherwise get a grip.

If they're using flash photography perhaps you could simply coat the children in anti speed-camera spray. Or failing that never let children outside your house, as they will be caught on CCTV and who knows who's watching them! Everyone's a molester!

Xordium · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:29

D.P. said:
Easy solution, put a bin bag (with eye and breathing holes) over your child's head. Otherwise get a grip.

Rhodri2311 said:
If they're using flash photography perhaps you could simply coat the children in anti speed-camera spray. Or failing that never let children outside your house, as they will be caught on CCTV and who knows who's watching them! Everyone's a molester!

Way to go to take something out of the context it was posted in. :rolleyes:

stokecity_m · 27 Mar 2012 at 19:57

Rhodri2311 said:
If they're using flash photography perhaps you could simply coat the children in anti speed-camera spray.!

lol

mothermachine · 27 Mar 2012 at 20:19

So a photographer takes photos of a band, doesn't charge them for them and now that band is whining and trying to have them removed?

As a gig photographer I'd love to tell that band where they can shove the photos.

Amp34 · 27 Mar 2012 at 20:53

jimbob27 said:
Is a PUBlic house a public or private place.

Difficult question.

I don't think it really matters if you aren't the owner of the property in question...

hopeful_builder said:
oo this is good, although the youngest is 32 and looks double that! lol shame though - I like your idea

Good... way to make yourself look like a plunker...

What has being under 16 got to do with anything? Unless of course it was one of those type of pubs. Unless the photos are indecent there is no reason for the photographer to take them down, if they were it would be a matter for the police. Unfortunately there are way to many ignorant parents around.

Haggisman said:
I would have thought the fact that he is using them in a commercial manner without your permission would be the issue, rather than just the fact he took them?

Surely there must be something the OP can do about this, otherwise e.g. what's to stop you taking pictures of girls in bikinis at the beach and selling the pictures in a calendar or setting up a website to sell them?

Edit: A couple of possibly relevant points taken from: http://www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm#3.1

Is it possible one of your band members was wearing a t-shirt or so with a clearly visible logo?

Also

You could potentially use the argument that by making these photos available, he is potentially causing financial damage to your own designated photographer?

But the logo has to be a main feature in the photo, i.e. you're taking a picture of a coke can rather than a coke can being held by a person you are taking a picture of. I don't know of there being any laws (other than decency laws potentially) to stop people doing that as long as they are in a public place. Model release forms have little/no legal recourse in the UK.

I'm sure those points have already been covered before but I just thought I'd add my opinion (AFAIK).

Personally I think the photog should take them down, however if you don't like him, he probably doesn't like you so why should he?

Amp34 · 27 Mar 2012 at 20:59

Spenty said:
So how come parents at schools need to sign forms regarding end of year photo's?

1. Because a lot of schools don't actually know the law.
2. Because a lot of parents don't actually know the law.
3. Because schools are trying to cover their back/make themselves look like they are proactive.
4. Because there is an argument schools are private property and as such can decide whether parents can take pictures of their little kids at the school play/sports day.

However the latter is legally dubious and IIRC there are questions as to whether a school can legally stop you taking photos at a school sports day.

Amp34 · 27 Mar 2012 at 21:01

grumpysculler said:
Did you have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

If you are in a pub, then no you didn't (unless you had hired a seperate area for exclusive use). You were in an area that, regardless of ownership, the general public have access to.

If you were in your own bedroom, or a swimming pool cubicle, etc then you did.

There is a difference between being allowed to take your photo and using a photo that is identifiably of you for profit though (with a myriad of exceptions, conditions, etc). Model releases etc would be needed in the latter case.

http://www.thephotographypages.co.uk/2008/05/do-i-need-to-obtain-a-model-release/

There is absolutely no requirement in the UK even to ask permission to take someone’s photograph, providing the photographer doesn’t harass the subject in any way.

EDIT: And yes I do know there is an edit button, just it's easier to quote in a new post

D.P. · 27 Mar 2012 at 21:06

Model releases are important for some commercial work, but that has nothing to do with taking the photo or displaying it public for free.

SexyGreyFox · 27 Mar 2012 at 21:10

I think the OP is trying to say:

This bloke has taken pictures of my mates band and put them on a site but the band want them removing because they don't pay tax on their musical activities and don't wan't to be caught.

[FnG]magnolia · 27 Mar 2012 at 21:13

Dimple said:
I think the OP is trying to say:

This bloke has taken pictures of my mates band and put them on a site but the band want them removing because they don't pay tax on their musical activities and don't wan't to be caught.

Someone's projecting again

Amp34 · 27 Mar 2012 at 21:16

D.P. said:
Model releases are important for some commercial work, but that has nothing to do with taking the photo or displaying it public for free.

If you have an international market yes (which is why all the big photo sites require them). Any examples of markets in the UK that need one?