New Xbox 'won't have disc drive, launching 2013

Like a new Steam install they belong to your username...so you'd just have to download them all again. For un-capped speedy broadband users it wouldn't be an issue. For everyone else though it definitely would be.
 
beachBOYken said:
imagine the console lost its data or had major hardware failure , and you had tons of downloaded games on it!!!!!!
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As a point I made earlier in this thread....

Harddrive space in a console, whether traditional or flash based is never going to be huge in the current times. So if such a model was adopted, you would likely not be able to store your entire game collection on the console itself, it would instead have to be downloaded when you want to play it again. As they would most likely have a system whereby if you have purchased it on your account, you can download it again at any time.

Of course, as others have made clear, we still aren't ready for that model yet. Plus as a consumer, how is having to wait to download a game I've not played for a while better for me than just picking it up out of the box and putting it in the console?

Of course this is if they go with a download model, as it's all just speculation, as it could be a proprietary format or some kind of cartridge based system.
 
^^^ I was going to post about that as well.
I think BluRay is a definite thing to be honest. MS would be silly not to use it.
And always on internet?! They can **** right off! I don't want to be told I can't play a game I bought because my internet is down! Plus,what about people who don't have internet at all? Are they willing to lose money from those people?
 
These rumours about always on Internet and no disc drive are just started by idiots who want to start ****.

Both would alienate a huge portion of the player base from buying the next Xbox if it were true and microsoft aren't that stupid.
 
Actually, this rumour came about from some information that MCV was given.

It's actually true, given that the new Xbox is the mini-media player device which doesn't have a drive and play games.
 
I thought the whole point was that optical drives will be redundant as they will only be used to install the game and not be needed to run them. Obviously you could also just buy the download version, or indeed use the serial key that came with the physical copy and get the download version any time you want to re download it even if you lose your disc.

Basically it looks like they want to move to the PC model of install disc/download and a serial key system (hence the always on net connection required to activate new games).
 
I've got no problem with download only. I've never quite understood the fear some people have with download times. I play plenty of games but my PS3 must spend an average of at least 22 hours a day switched off. Swapping some of that time to download a game with an auto power-off option would suit me fine. You don't have to sit and watch the progress bar:cool: It's rare that I bother getting a game on release day but for those who do, a pre-load option as used on Steam would work fine. Download the game a few days before it's released and it activates on release day. Easy. Also in terms of HDD space, there's not really any reason why a console couldn't have a 1TB 3.5" HDD and maybe later on a 2 or 3 TB HDD. People moan that the current consoles weren't future-proofed enough in terms of RAM mainly so why design a 2013-2020+ console around 2012 internet speeds. I think in 2005 I had 512k Broadband. There's only one direction internet speeds are going. Many people here are hardcore gamers but I imagine the average number of games the average gamer buys for their xbox 360 is quite low. Maybe 3-4 per year. If it is DL-only then I'd guess it would have a pretty slick download manager that's as simple as recording something on Sky TV. You could set auto-on, auto off downloads by time when you're at work or over night. It could be really easy.

Another way this would work and I've said this before, is to have a full list of games available to you to download, play for an hour and then either pay to unlock to delete. I still think buying gaming hours to play on games you want could work as well. So if someone at work asks if you want to play a round of golf on Tiger Woods online, you would never need to say "I don't have that game" You could download it, and have your free hour and then even buy an extra hour to play it. If you then decide you want to buy the game, you get your hour back to use on other games. You could argue that paying to play a game for an hour is a waste of money but it's unlikely to be any more expensive than buying a boxed game, playing it for an hour and deciding you don't like it and then trading it in. It's less hassle too. Plenty of people don't seem to mind paying per view or per month for films, only to never own any of them.

If all games will be online (as that's the only way to buy them) then it's quite likely that they will at some point offer a monthly sub to have access to all games. For the right price (the same as everything else in the world) that would be great.
 
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2 independent 7*** series GPUs?
Doesn't seem likely...

Having a dedicated kinect and OS core makes sense though, they wouldn't need to be anywhere near as powerful as the actual game cores.
 
mame said:
People moan that the current consoles weren't future-proofed enough in terms of RAM mainly so why design a 2013-2020+ console around 2012 internet speeds.
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Low RAM is a different issue entirely because cost was the factor there. Even if a download-only console could be feasible in five years time, that doesn't mean it's a good idea right now. Loads of people still have slow/limited internet access and don't want to see game prices monopolised.
 
Nexus said:
Actually, this rumour came about from some information that MCV was given.

It's actually true, given that the new Xbox is the mini-media player device which doesn't have a drive and play games.
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:D thats a very good point, everyone took "next console" to mean their next gen console. rather than this new Xbox Lite thing thats supposed to be hitting.
 
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Easy. Also in terms of HDD space, there's not really any reason why a console couldn't have a 1TB 3.5" HDD and maybe later on a 2 or 3 TB HDD.
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In an ideal world they would have a ton of storage, the reality is they won't because it massively pushes up the cost of the console. It makes it far more expensive than licensing Blu-Ray disc and the drive parts.


Another way this would work and I've said this before, is to have a full list of games available to you to download, play for an hour and then either pay to unlock to delete. I still think buying gaming hours to play on games you want could work as well. So if someone at work asks if you want to play a round of golf on Tiger Woods online, you would never need to say "I don't have that game" You could download it, and have your free hour and then even buy an extra hour to play it. If you then decide you want to buy the game, you get your hour back to use on other games. You could argue that paying to play a game for an hour is a waste of money but it's unlikely to be any more expensive than buying a boxed game, playing it for an hour and deciding you don't like it and then trading it in. It's less hassle too. Plenty of people don't seem to mind paying per view or per month for films, only to never own any of them.
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That doesn't really strike me as something I'd want as a Gamer.
I either buy a game or I don't, usually there is also a demo to try it out as well.

I believe Microsoft also tried something along those lines with the Arcade Centre thing they launched where you buy 'goes' on games, like arcade machines, I'm not sure it's been very successful.


If all games will be online (as that's the only way to buy them) then it's quite likely that they will at some point offer a monthly sub to have access to all games. For the right price (the same as everything else in the world) that would be great.
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That will never happen.
You would firstly need all the Publishers to agree to it, being so convoluted they certainly wouldn't. More importantly though, Publishers make the majority of profit from new releases at near RRP, if people are just paying a monthly subscription that is divvied up, then it means less profit.
 
check this global internet speed chart ...its current .. hover over a country

http://www.netindex.com/#

an internet only connect imo has got no chance atm

in fact this link from same site is even better .... its based on speedtest.net tests

http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

Household Download Index
Based on millions of recent test results from Speedtest.net, this index compares and ranks consumer download speeds around the globe. The value is the rolling mean throughput in Mbps over the past 30 days where the mean distance between the client and the server is less than 300 miles.
10.00Mbps

i will add .... i do have a 10 mb connection ..... but for full time use for EVERTHING i do .. sorry no chance
 
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if this is the way consoles are heading thats it for me! im sort of focusing on the xbox now over PC due to fewer updates, i was hoping consoles would still be focused this way

0.1 megabit connection? downloading games? i dont think so!

always on internet? pass!
 
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