No meat today

No thanks, what you are saying is that I should not eat meat to respect peoples religions. None of the followers will know if I eat meat or not! They don't live in my house!
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Of course not, and I have actually considered this point, and think that it's very valid; religion has undoubtedly shaped our morality, but would it not also be fair to speculate that any religious morality would have to have come from a non-religious morality which was then used by religion?

I think it's fair to say that there must have been a kind of zero point where religion did not exist.
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Equally there may just as easily be a 'zero point', at least with regard to civilization and the moment we rose above the Animals (morally speaking) that was because of what may be termed a religious epiphany.
 
Castiel said:
Equally there may just as easily be a 'zero point', at least with regard to civilization and the moment we rose above the Animals (morally speaking) that was because of what may be termed a religious epiphany.
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It's pure speculation on both our parts though...basically you can develop morality without religion, though.

I think this is provable by comparing religion which have developed in different places, where those religions and peoples did not ineract, and seeing how they have developed similar moralities.
 
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Castiel said:
Equally there may just as easily be a 'zero point', at least with regard to civilization and the moment we rose above the Animals (morally speaking) that was because of what may be termed a religious epiphany.
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And (morally speaking) who says other animals don't have morals?

I'd go with suggesting that's another one of those old (partly) religious ideas that was designed to show us as above other animals.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
It's pure speculation on both our parts though...basically you can develop morality without religion, though.

I think this is provable by comparing religion which have developed in different places, where those religions and peoples did not ineract, and seeing how they have developed similar moralities.
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But those different places would have developed similar religions.....you would be surprised no doubt to learn that almost all world religions, with the very rate exception are inherrently similar in context if not in content....and similarly in the morality to which they avow......also remember that this 'zero point' to which you refer would imply the point at which humanity gained their ability to moralise would also imply a similar context for religion, so as the diaspora of mankind from the cradle of humanity began, surely what we see is an evolution of belief and morality from your suggested 'zero point' rather than a myriad of isolated unconnected examples.....
 
Castiel said:
But those different places would have developed similar religions.....you would be surprised no doubt to learn that almost all world religions, with the very rate exception are inherrently similar in context if not in content....and similarly in the morality to which they avow......also remember that this 'zero point' to which you refer would imply the point at which humanity gained their ability to moralise would also imply a similar context for religion, so as the diaspora of mankind from the cradle of humanity began, surely what we see is an evolution of belief and morality from your suggested 'zero point' rather than a myriad of isolated unconnected examples.....
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At some point, though, different groups of people would have been completely isolated, and therefore any morality developed which is similar to that of another community on the other side of the world, for example, would surely require something that we all share, perhaps some sort of inherent morality or conscience which is present in all human beings. I think you're right though, there must have been a general development of morality, but this can#'t always be ascribed to religion.
 
Day off fine...

Day where hot cross buns are mandatory fine...

Day of not eating meat? You are having a laugh!

Until the catholic church can sort out the touching young boys thing iv got little time for their nonsense religion moments like this. Plus iv enjoyed my daily dose of bacon today already :D
 
Amp34 said:
And (morally speaking) who says other animals don't have morals?

I'd go with suggesting that's another one of those old (partly) religious ideas that was designed to show us as above other animals.
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Aside from the concept of animal morality being controversial, who is to say that if they do have morality that they do not have some form of religion, or at least an innate spirituality that in Hummanity and it's inherent social constructs manifests as religion?

Also if we accept that animals are moral creatures, where does that leave pur own morality in how be both treat them and as the thread topic implies eat them?
 
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