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Castiel said:
But don't forget that I made the point that religion is potentially a manifestation of our innate spirituality.....it doesn't require science, neither does morality.

There very well may be ultimately a scientific explanation why we manifest constructs and concepts in the way that we do, there may be a scientific explanation for everything, but science requires evidence, I have yet to see you produce any to support your claim.
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Haha well as I said before, any evidence would surely be contaminated. Nor was I suggesting that morality requires science...I don't think that's relevant?

When I referred to scientific explanations for things I was referring to the manner in which religions, ancient ones in particular, ascribed events, such as lighting, to gods because they didn't actually know what was causing them.

Can you prove that morality is entirely the result of religion? I would guess that it's impossible to know!
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Unless you find the religion itself to be offensive...
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Relogion isn't offensive, only some of the people who interpret it in specific ways are.....often they are more offensive to the relogion than to those outside of the faith.

With regard to fasting on Good Friday, or any other Friday.....if you are a Catholic and follow that custom, so what, how is that offensive?
 
Castiel said:
Relogion isn't offensive, only some of the people who interpret it in specific ways are.....often they are more offensive to the relogion than to those outside of the faith.

With regard to fasting on Good Friday, or any other Friday.....if you are a Catholic and follow that custom, so what, how is that offensive?
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Sorry, I think I would have the right to be offended if I was in one of the groups of people, homosexuals for example, who are regularly offended by churches! The Catholic church, Islam, and Judaism, are regularly offensive to groups of people and individuals. You are simply wrong.

I don't think this fasting on Good Friday is offensive. It may be very strange to me but I don't care if people don't want to eat meat one day of the year.

E: or were you referring to the concept of religion itself?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Haha well as I said before, any evidence would surely be contaminated. Nor was I suggesting that morality requires science...I don't think that's relevant?

When I referred to scientific explanations for things I was referring to the manner in which religions, ancient ones in particular, ascribed events, such as lighting, to gods because they didn't actually know what was causing them.

Can you prove that morality is entirely the result of religion? I would guess that it's impossible to know!
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I can demonstrate the cultural impact and the historical relationship between religion, belief systems and the specific morality of a given civilisation and how that manifests itself, both in the impact to society and the influences both on and from religious ideals and the resulting spread and influence on other cultures and the consequences thereof.....

In fact there are a myriad of books and schools of thought on the subject.

Can you demonstrate the contrary?
 
Castiel said:
I can demonstrate the cultural impact and the historical relationship between religion, belief systems and the specific morality of a given civilisation and how that manifests itself, both in the impact to society and the influences both on and from religious ideals and the resulting spread and influence on other cultures and the consequences thereof.....

In fact there are a myriad of books and schools of thought on the subject.

Can you demonstrate the contrary?
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No I can't, but can you demonstrate to me that all morality stems from religion??
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Sorry, I think I would have the right to be offended if I was in one of the groups of people, homosexuals for example, who are regularly offended by churches! The Catholic church, Islam, and Judaism, are regularly offensive to groups of people and individuals. You are simply wrong.

I don't think this fasting on Good Friday is offensive. It may be very strange to me but I don't care if people don't want to eat meat one day of the year.

E: or were you referring to the concept of religion itself?
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You obvious didn't understand what I said?

You said Religion is offensive.....no it isn't, ot can be interpreted in an offensive way and it can be used to promote offensive ideologies......but then the same is true of philosphy and politics and people in general.....

Religion isn't inherently offensive.
 
Glaucus said:
yes please. As far as I can tell there's pretty much zero difference.
The old resonings are well, old and unfounded.

We've seen communication, self-awareness, intelegence, problem solving, tools

About the only difference I can think off the top of my head is ability to retain information or writing. Which of course most animals don't have dexterity needed.
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Intelligence?
 
arctine said:
Intelligence?
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Yes why the ?
Solving never before encountered problems before is a sign of inteligence and reasoning skills.

People seem to like to think we are massively different to the rest of animals, but to me it seems as we find out and study more. We aren't so different. But people don't like that thinking as it throws up moral issues.
 
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Castiel said:
You obvious didn't understand what I said?

You said Religion is offensive.....no it isn't, ot can be interpreted in an offensive way and it can be used to promote offensive ideologies......but then the same is true of philosphy and politics and people in general.....

Religion isn't inherently offensive.
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That's what I was questioning in the end. I understand exactly what you mean; interpretations of religion can be offensive but the concept itself is not.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
No I can't, but can you demonstrate to me that all morality stems from religion??
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I did not make the claim that all morality stems from religion, so I have no need to prove such a thing.....however, it can be demonstrated that religion plays a significant part in human morality be it in it's evolution or it's manifestation.
 
Lol try taking me away from the all you can eat tonight then that serves pretty much every meat under the sun.
 
Glaucus said:
Yes why the ?
Solving never before encountered problems before is a sign of inteligence and reasoning skills.
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You're just being awkward now :p

We have a superior intelligence which allows us to ask and answer questions. These questions and answers are the reason we do more than just solve problems solely to survive and what things like religion are based on.
 
I'm not being awkward, we also have little idea what the high animals talk about as we have no translation method. We also have dexterity and opposable thumbs which allow us to utilise our intelligence. Although I never asked due to the animals could have religion statements.

You think intelligence/memory tests on chimps/octopus and many other species are only done for survival :confused: these tests have little or no survival outcome.


Personally I think religion is based on a genetic spiritual need. Some sense it stronger some lesser. Some catogries that need in aliens or supernatural rather than religion, many in recent times fill that need with a false knowledge of science.

arctine said:
No it isn't.

It's a Friday off.
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Nope, it's just another Friday, sat night and Monday
 
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