Depends how you define performance, the PE2 have a stiffer wall and last longer
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Depends how you define performance, the PE2 have a stiffer wall and last longer
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Just dry/wet grip, all road tyres have side walls made of cheese. You would be hard pushed to tell the difference between the two, 30% cheaper is quite a nice saving.
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Do you mean the performance is the same, or do you mean that you personally didn't notice an immediate difference when you went from the worn PE2's fitted on your car when you bought it to the much cheaper V12's you chose to replace them?
As thats rather two different things.
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[TW]Fox;21684564 said:
I didn't buy my car with worn PE2's, infact i've had 2 sets. I've not personally tried the V12, but know friends that have had both, and also going by reviews/tests i've seen comparing the two.
That doesn't seem strong enough to be able to categorically state the two tyres have identical performance properties?
Going on second hand opinion with tyres is bad (That means you should do your own research before listening to somebody like me, too!) because people will subconciously favour the decision they've made even if it was made for other reasons. Hankook/Falken etc get a LOT of praise - some of this is genuinely based on performance but a lot of it is because people bought them because they were cheap, didnt crash, and then began to convince themselves the performance was identical to that offered by a Continental or a Michelin (The human mind would love to beleive we bought something because it was the best not because it was cheap), which of course it isn't, something thats always supported when they are found in the same tyre tests. Whats more likely the case is that the performance offered is excellent *for the money*, which is a good reason to buy a tyre but doesn't mean it's as good as the established brands.
At 55 quid a tyre it just isn't worth messing around - buy the Michelin.
They came out identically? Could you link to these?
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They are ~£60 each from Blackcircles in my size. How do they compare?
I like to use BC as they have a fitting centre literally down the road from me and the last time I bought from camskill the tyre place my dad uses were wide. CBA with wise thick *****, just want tyres fitted.
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[TW]Fox;21684639 said:
They actually came out better in testing than the PE2 in dry/wet grip and braking. I could probably link to them if i could be bothered, but alas, i can't.
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[TW]Fox;21684663 said:Don't make a statement if you 'cannot be bothered' to support it then
I'll do as i please
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Sooooooooooo PE2 will feel nice and sharp upfront? Car feels **** the now as the tracking is out since I said Hi to a kerb.
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I was very happy with the PE2, even on track it wasn't terrible, especially for a road tyre. The V12 isn't cheaper because its worse, its cheaper because its not made by a company as big as Michelin.
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It's only a tenner in it for me though so not that much of a saving.
I've found the tyre test, was it the Evo one?
The V12 appears to come 2nd from bottom. The PE2 is 5th.
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I make it £230 for the V12 fitted and £260 for the PE2 fitted?
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[TW]Fox;21684731 said:
No idea, it was a year ago. I actually went with PE2 in the end because they came with the alloys i bought.
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I'll only be doing the fronts as the rears are nearly new T1Rs from February.
So £120ish vs £128ish for the Michelin.
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Makes sense to go for the PE2 for the sake of £8 then. Do they make CS3 in 195/50?
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Nope,they start at 16" so maybe when I get some Rota Grid drifts in 16x8 I can get the PS3.
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I can't remember if i had eagle F1's or CS3 on my 16's, either way, i can't remember noticing much difference between them and the PE2. Pretty sure the CS3 are suppose to last for ages though?
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2 x Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 - 195/50 R15 V (82) £128.14
Strathclyde Auto Tune Ltd Premier Partner Thursday 03 May AM All Inclusive
Order Discount £4.00
Total Cost £124.14
Here goes then based on the recomendations in here! Got to be better than a T1R just off 1.6mm and a 195/55/15 god knows how old Michelin on the front just now. Glad I didn't decide to bankrupt myself getting a 320i now with prices like this
Strathclyde Auto Tune Ltd Premier Partner Thursday 03 May AM All Inclusive
Order Discount £4.00
Total Cost £124.14
Here goes then based on the recomendations in here! Got to be better than a T1R just off 1.6mm and a 195/55/15 god knows how old Michelin on the front just now. Glad I didn't decide to bankrupt myself getting a 320i now with prices like this