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No, not easily. The distance between Israel and Iran is significant and there are several countries between them. They'd need airbone refuelling capability which they don't have and would need to enlist from the US. Thankfully the US administration is reluctant to persue the military option.
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No, not easily. The distance between Israel and Iran is significant and there are several countries between them. They'd need airbone refuelling capability which they don't have and would need to enlist from the US. Thankfully the US administration is reluctant to persue the military option.
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erm, no WE cannot control anything? With what, peaceful protests? Get over it.
WE as people have no moral power. Whilst WE are subjected to the proposal that we elect therefore we control, this is simply not true. Many times a large number of people have protest peacefully, yet organisations and corporations have deteriorated the peaceful protest into branded labels.
If the government decides on something you dont agree with, what will you do? If they give you an excuse to make a moral judgement of ''DEFENCE'' you will select that path, just like the whole terrorism sham. I have no power, YOU have no power, WE have no power. The only terrorists are those that are worth more money than countries and even continents combined.
You can extend this to AID in Africa for example, money does not go to these people in Africa, the money goes into buying things like water mechanics, setting up businesses, food...but who owns the businesses from which you buy these AID products???? The large corperations, and why? Because they can price them as they wish and its a multi-billion $,£,E industry.
You cannot tell me seriously that a democracy exists whereby the people obtain any sort of moral or influential power, I mean seriously?
Why do you think we are still burning things to generate power and not using new technologies? Can you imagine if you invented an energy source that rivals Oil and is completely sustainable? Eliminate a multi-billion dollar industry? You would be forced to sell up or be killed, and you would have no power, just like the poor man of today.
We went to war with Iraq for no moral reason, we went to war with Afghanistan for no moral reason, a 3rd tower after the 9/11 attacks was destroyed/demolished for no moral reason, we allow mass killings, poverty, suffering, disease, hunger and mass waste to continue....for no moral reason.
Tell me its not all about money and those who control everything around us. The media, the governments, the education, the way we live, what we eat, think and believe.
Tesco is worth more than Greece, tell me now that its worth all of the suffering, and I will believe you that we have this so called power.
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No, he's right, it's all over the place!
Unfortunately he mistyped!
What he meant to type was "In short World war 3 is coming soon... to a Cinema near you!"
In practice Iran and several of the major world powers (US, Russia, Germany, France, UK and China) have had their first talk in the last year or so and it appears to have turned out ok... Hopefully this will slow the Israeli sabre rattling and produce some results when they next meet next month...
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I think it's pretty clear that they are itching to have a pop.
People need to start thinking of this as a reality, no matter how far fetched it sounds.
If Israel does attack Iran, as I believe it will do which is why I've been saying it for years, it will need to do so on a scale that we haven't seen before and in the process take control of as much of Irans oil as possible. Israel will do so with full US backing, because essentially they are both one and the same ie. the same people who control both countries.
As already pointed out, if they strike Iran, the price of oil will skyrocket and in turn the dollar will collapse, another event which is also not far off now. I believe that a new reserve currency will be introduced which will be based in Jerusalem. Power will return to Israel after over 2000 years, yet the intellectuals of ocuk with their phds will have completely missed the boat, they can't see it coming, they cannot grasp reality in this great age of deception.
As our prophet PBUH said, the unbelievers will never be able to recognise the liar who sees with just one eye. Since he has essentially also blinded most of mankind, he goes undetected. Appearance and reality have switched places as our prophet PBUH warned us. All the hadith are coming true, and will come true. When power finally returns to Israel we will see a man emerge claiming that he is the Messiah and the Jews will accept him. Israel was created for a purpose and it has been armed and protected for a purpose, and it has continued to grow stronger and stronger for a purpose.
If Israel does attack Iran, as I believe it will do which is why I've been saying it for years, it will need to do so on a scale that we haven't seen before and in the process take control of as much of Irans oil as possible. Israel will do so with full US backing, because essentially they are both one and the same ie. the same people who control both countries.
As already pointed out, if they strike Iran, the price of oil will skyrocket and in turn the dollar will collapse, another event which is also not far off now. I believe that a new reserve currency will be introduced which will be based in Jerusalem. Power will return to Israel after over 2000 years, yet the intellectuals of ocuk with their phds will have completely missed the boat, they can't see it coming, they cannot grasp reality in this great age of deception.
As our prophet PBUH said, the unbelievers will never be able to recognise the liar who sees with just one eye. Since he has essentially also blinded most of mankind, he goes undetected. Appearance and reality have switched places as our prophet PBUH warned us. All the hadith are coming true, and will come true. When power finally returns to Israel we will see a man emerge claiming that he is the Messiah and the Jews will accept him. Israel was created for a purpose and it has been armed and protected for a purpose, and it has continued to grow stronger and stronger for a purpose.
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In all of this it's Israel I don't trust. They are the ones who covertly developed nuclear wepons not Iran. Iran to me seem like that owl in the video thread and are making themselves sound threatening as their only form of defense.
We live in the western world, its normal to feel too comfortable, as we are 'stable'
But the situation is very delicate when it comes to interacting with other countries which are not quite as 'stable' as ours and many other well developed countries.
People do need to face up to reality, if we (or any other 'powerful' country) over step the mark, the 'unstable' countries (Iran, Israel etc. ) do have enough firepower to cause extraordinary damage, and potentially cause 'WW3'. Also, with Russia siding with [them] there could be disastrous circumstances!
But the situation is very delicate when it comes to interacting with other countries which are not quite as 'stable' as ours and many other well developed countries.
People do need to face up to reality, if we (or any other 'powerful' country) over step the mark, the 'unstable' countries (Iran, Israel etc. ) do have enough firepower to cause extraordinary damage, and potentially cause 'WW3'. Also, with Russia siding with [them] there could be disastrous circumstances!
Russia is not siding with Iran at all, I'm not sure where this beleif comes from. Russia are against military intervention and some of the sanctions in place - this doesn't mean they side with Iran (They have condemned many aspects of the nuclear programme) - it just means they disagree regarding the best way to settle the issues.
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Its an interesting and very topical discussion prevalent to many a topic and most of great importance i.e. finance, commodities (oil), power, democracy, religion, all combined.
Isreal and the US share the same persona, they are controlled by the same individuals within financial power. Why do you think that America (country) ''borrows'' its cash from the Federal Reserve (a private monetary organisation)? No wonder it is in debt, its owners are abusing the financial system, most of whom are Jewish whose descendancy and connections originate from Isreal.
Its not until you read such things an understand how money and debt is actually generated that you realize why such things as wars, debt, suffering etc begin
Isreal and the US share the same persona, they are controlled by the same individuals within financial power. Why do you think that America (country) ''borrows'' its cash from the Federal Reserve (a private monetary organisation)? No wonder it is in debt, its owners are abusing the financial system, most of whom are Jewish whose descendancy and connections originate from Isreal.
Its not until you read such things an understand how money and debt is actually generated that you realize why such things as wars, debt, suffering etc begin
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That's a little far fetched, even for GD...
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Your kidding right. Israel doesn't have the resources to fight a land war with Iran. And that's before you consider the problem of the two countries not sharing a boarder so they'd either have to build a sizable navy of go through Iraq first.
Any attack would be strategic air strikes aimed at destroying or disabling nuclear facilities. It's questionable whether Israel has the ability to do this without US support. Some facilities are a fair distance from Israel and the Israeli air force is primarily an air defense force. It doesn't posses any long range strategic bombers that we know of.
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Why do you talk about countries having 'resources'??? Everyone knows that corperations control countries, countries are worthless these days its those who own the money that finance the agenda's. The people with amounts of cash that you simply cannot dream of. Whether a country has resources has nothing to do with it, just like these so called 'rebel forces' in Syria, Lybia, Egypt etc. Its not about resources its about access to resources...i.e. finance.
take the UAE for example. The country isnt rich, the Shieks (also known as Kings) are of one family, they give the money to their own people. The country isn't rich, the owners are.
Go through Iraq? We have already established that America and Isreal are owned and run by the same people.
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Don't the Israeli's have use of Turkish military bases?
whether or not the Turks would let them launch strike missions from there is another matter
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I'm not really sure what your point is or what the UAE has to do with this topic.
To invade a country you need access to military resource. The only countries (or any other type of organisation) who posses the resource to mount a credible invasion of Iran is the US and Russian governments.
And "we" haven't established that the US and Israel are owned by the same people.
There are a few options open to Israel if they want to launch unilateral strikes. None of them appear to to offer the opportunity to strike a knockout blow on the Iranian nuclear program. They just can't deliver enough firepower to the right places in necessary time frame. The best they can hope for is to set the program back by a few years. They also run the real risk of losing a significant portion of their air force.Don't the Israeli's have use of Turkish military bases?
whether or not the Turks would let them launch strike missions from there is another matter
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pretty sure America has plans to invade everyone including us and we also have plans to attack America both premptivly and defensively. along with all of Europe.
we plan for everything, partially to be prepared for everything, partially so we have a ful land true evaluation of our capabilities and partially to keep planning skills sharp.
we plan for everything, partially to be prepared for everything, partially so we have a ful land true evaluation of our capabilities and partially to keep planning skills sharp.
Not really, iran has very little ability to project it's power outside the middle east, not going to start WW3.
secondly russia and china will moan and grown but they're not going to commit suicide by starting a war with the USA, this isn't like before the first 2 world wars where we can have long drawn out wars between massive groups of super powers, now they're so intertwined economically there's little reason for them to decide to screw themselves to intervene in some country they don't care about, and even if they were willing to ruin their economies they would be facing certain military destruction on all sides.
after all did we go to war with Russia when they invaded Georgia?
The UK, the USA, China and russia do not give a **** about iran or it's people, what lies beneath it's soil sure they care about that but they'll rather divvy up the resources at the bargaining table afterwards rather than commit suicide to defend some random foreigners.
Depends on how much America has shared from it's tactical nuclear bunker busting program, or how far Israel have got on their own projects
otherwise i suppose there is the very very unlikely option of just hitting all the entrances/surrounding area with salted bombs and making it so hazardous to even try and get to the complex the program is delayed for decades till they can finish it properly.
but that option would be 100% certain political suicide, the bunker busting option is just as likely to be suicide too but they could possibly get away with it.
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