Do not resuscitate

Luke · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:14

I'm unsure which part of my first post you disagree with then...

Luke · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:14

PianoBasher said:
I honestly want to know if the ambulance crew would pay any attention to such tattoos whatsoever...

No they wouldn't.

wnb · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:14

Luke said:
We may be at cross purposes here. Unless the paper is waved in front of the paramedic at the time of arrest, it for all intents and purposes does not exist.
If they attended the same patient the day before and saw a DNR with 3 months left on it but it was not available to see today, they would start resus as if they had never seen it. A relative telling them it is in place, or even the patient (when conscious) telling them it was in place is meaningless unless they have the certificate there and then.

I know very little about DNR's but what you describe above makes a DNR pointless.

Tyron · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:16

The OP could be discussing the ramification of a failed attempted suicide for all we know.

Luke · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:16

Richie · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:16

Luke said:
I'm unsure which part of my first post you disagree with then...

I was under the impression that when you said:

Luke said:
An ambulance crew would ignore it.

that you were meaning any and all DNR scenarios.... You were perhaps referring to someone having a card stating a DNR in much the same way as someone would carry a Donor card as opposed to a legally held DNR certificate

Luke · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:17

Richie said:
I was under the impression that when you said:

that you were meaning any and all DNR scenarios.... You were perhaps referring to someone having a card stating a DNR in much the same way as someone would carry a Donor card.

Ah, yes. I meant that they would ignore a home made DNR.

Narj · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:18

Tyron said:
The OP could be discussing the ramification of a failed attempted suicide for all we know.

I was more angling at people with a terminal illness.

HeadlessChicken · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:18

If someone isn't breathing you don't check their pockets........

One · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:21

Luke said:
I'm unsure which part of my first post you disagree with then...

You two just didn't read "known DNR" to be the same thing. Luke, you read it as in your example, I saw it yesterday, today is a different story, and the other guy was saying known DNR to mean you have the certificate in your hand.

rotters · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:21

You have 3 minutes to get that person to have a circulating volume which is oxygen rich enough to sustain life...l think DNRs would be an after though in a huge percentage of cases.

Also our trust has gone away from DNRs and we now have ANDs which stands for allow a natural death. Much more significant in most cases.

Philtor · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:25

PianoBasher said:
Just wondering...

If a person had a card or piece of paper on them with the words, 'do not resuscitate', is an ambulance crew legally obliged to comply with the request/directions?

DirtyJester · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:25

RomanNose said:
DON'T JUMP, WE LOVE YOU PIANOBASHER.

more like what did you just slip inside your bosses pocket ....

One · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:25

Am i right in thinking most cases where a person has a DNR will be in a hospital ward where the nurses and doctors know all the patients and the dnr would be on display? Unlikely to find a person with a DNR in the middle of the street?

Narj · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:31

DirtyJester said:
more like what did you just slip inside your bosses pocket ....

foiled!

If it wasn't so sinister, I'd suggest that maybe everyone should be tagged electronically at birth so that medical records are available to emergency crews. Way too open to abuse though in this society, especially if it's rfid.

Luke · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:31

desires said:
Am i right in thinking most cases where a person has a DNR will be in a hospital ward where the nurses and doctors know all the patients and the dnr would be on display? Unlikely to find a person with a DNR in the middle of the street?

Pretty much, yes. More often than not in nursing homes.

Narj · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:37

Btw what sort of tattoo artist would put those words on someone's chest no questions asked? :/

DirtyJester · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:44

PianoBasher said:
Btw what sort of tattoo artist would put those words on someone's chest no questions asked? :/

Lisbeth Salander

Philtor · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:46

PianoBasher said:
I'd suggest that maybe everyone should be tagged electronically at birth so that medical records are available to emergency crews

Is that like the microchip I got put in my dog the other week so he can be traced if lost?

Why stop there? Sure we could all have RFID Tags under our skin and scanners in every public meeting place. Hey are you David Cameron by any chance?

SexyGreyFox · 20 Apr 2012 at 23:55

DNARs go in (or should go in) the very front of a persons Medical Records and are signed by themselves and witnesses.
They also have to be reviewed because I know of at least one case where the family were saying the DNAR was for one particular time and not the next incident.