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**AMAZING VTX3D 7970 X EDITION DEAL - £359.99 Inc. VAT!!**

Evidence that i've asked for, that still hasn't appeared. I wasn't asking for it to doubt it, i'd be genuinely interested to see.

Not some irrelevant review about clock for clock either.



As above, show me the facts.

FYI - i'm not arguing, nor am I attempting to "win" anything. You might feel the need to so, to "win an argument" - i'm merely attempting to discuss.

Knock yourself out though kiddo, you're clearly winning.

There you go being a wordsmith again, you must be proud. At no point did you attempt to make it a discussion, but issue one misinformed statement after another.

Facts, are facts. All of the following reviews state that the 680 is faster than the 7970. I've even linked to the conclusion of each review to make it easier for you.

HotHardware
AnandTech
Bit-Tech
Tom's Hardware
Tech Report
HardOCP
Hardware Canucks
TechpowerUp
Hexus
Guru3D
Legit Reviews
PureOverclock
Overclockers Club
Tech Radar
PC Perspective
Overclock 3D.net
Hightech Legion
AlienBabelTech
Xbit Labs

I am not saying anything profound, this has been a given since the 680 was released.
 
Because, you know? you wouldn't be able to tell. That's what is really funny. As long as a game plays properly it really doesn't matter what code name or number the card powering it has.

Not in the real world any way.

In the real world I would be able to tell how much hotter my room would be getting with SLI GTX 480s and how much higher my electric build would be compared to running either a single 7970 or GTX 680.

In games I wouldnt see a difference at all.
 
In the real world I would be able to tell how much hotter my room would be getting with SLI GTX 480s and how much higher my electric build would be compared to running either a single 7970 or GTX 680.

And what does that have to do with it?

What's the matter? running out of things to say?
 
What you see on your screen does not indicate whether there is or isnt a difference. Reviews and FPS comparisons clearly show that there is, however small it may be.

But who cares if you cannot see or notice it ? It seems a bit silly to me to spend extra on something you will not see or notice ? Surely that money could be spent elsewhere in your rig or even buying some games to play instead of watching benchmarks or reading reviews...:D
 
And what does that have to do with it?

What's the matter? running out of things to say?

Umad?

Heat output and power consumption are hugely important factors for GPU decisions for quite a lot of people.

But who cares if you cannot see or notice it ? It seems a bit silly to me to spend extra on something you will not see or notice ?

I agree, but I can see the difference with Physx on and off, and with Adaptive Vsync on and off, so it makes a huge difference to me to have an Nvidia setup.

I could also have told the difference when crossfire wasnt supported in Skyrim and actually producing negative scaling on a crossfire setup compared to an SLI setup which was working with an SLI profile update available before the game even released.
 
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There you go being a wordsmith again, you must be proud. At no point did you attempt to make it a discussion, but issue one misinformed statement after another.

Let me explain a little bit to you about reviewing computer parts/games/socks on the internet.

A company (insert name here) hears of your website (insert site name here) and then contacts you. They offer you a set sum for a review of their product.

So right away there is a flaw. The item to be reviewed is being handed over (usually to keep) and a cash sum is being paid. The company are paying for the review.

It works exactly the same way with game reviews.

You then sit down and review their product. The fundamental flaw in this, however, is that you are being paid to review said product. If you give it a poor review you will never see another product from that company again, so instead of actually reviewing it honestly and fairly you are biased right from the very beginning because you are being paid to sell a product.

If you do not do what is asked of you then you start to burn bridges.

You see, in Corporation land a company doesn't give two flying monkey's sexual encounters whether what they are selling is good or not. All they want to do is make as much money as easily as they can.

Lying, cheating, underhand tactics. All come under the description of screwing some one for a buck.

I personally used to review both hardware and software. However, poo in the bed ! I was honest and basically did a Catchphrase (say what you see). I lasted around two years and then the review samples dried up.

A "review" is no such thing. A "review" is a (insert amount of pages full of graphs and charts here) sales script.

*IF* one website dared to actually push the 7970 to the limits and find it beat the 680 in anything they would be hard pushed to dare posting it in the review. Same goes for the 680.

Remember - a review is about the product you are selling. Not the other one that can do XXX FPS in BF3

Nvidia do not pay for the privilege of finding out if the 7970 can hold a torch to the 680, they are paying (note, a cash sum in pounds or dollars) for some one to big up their card and make it sell. Sometimes this is easier than others, sometimes reviews are full of all out lies.

I know, I was in the industry for bloody years.

I used to work for Alienware. I was responsible for packing up and shipping out review units.

Want to know what happened if the reviewer pointed out the truth? (IE it's very expensive for what amounts to a nice case and being built for you ETC) then they would be put on the "naughty list" and never sent another machine, or money, for their reviews again.

That is how the capitalist world works.
 
There you go being a wordsmith again, you must be proud. At no point did you attempt to make it a discussion, but issue one misinformed statement after another.

Facts, are facts. All of the following reviews state that the 680 is faster than the 7970. I've even linked to the conclusion of each review to make it easier for you.

HotHardware
AnandTech
Bit-Tech
Tom's Hardware
Tech Report
HardOCP
Hardware Canucks
TechpowerUp
Hexus
Guru3D
Legit Reviews
PureOverclock
Overclockers Club
Tech Radar
PC Perspective
Overclock 3D.net
Hightech Legion
AlienBabelTech
Xbit Labs

I am not saying anything profound, this has been a given since the 680 was released.

I don't have much time to read through all the reviews there, however the first 2 I clicked on didn't even have the 7970 overclocked, so as expected completely irrelevant to the point i've been making all along. I do like they way you've linked to the conclusion though so as to avoid the lack of an OC though, bravo.

Feel free to read back through my posts if you need clarification on my point, although I doubt you will. I will though, one last time just for you, attempt it again:

The 680 and 7970 when both overclocked are very similar in performance

Secondly, try and calm down a little bit. Although I couldn't give a rats rear end whether you think i'm trying to be a wordsmith, your etiquette leaves a lot to be desired, especially when it's clear you can't even grasp the point i've been trying to make. Crack on with the attempts at insults though, I can assure you they fall on deaf ears.
 
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A "review" is no such thing. A "review" is a (insert amount of pages full of graphs and charts here) sales script.

*IF* one website dared to actually push the 7970 to the limits and find it beat the 680 in anything they would be hard pushed to dare posting it in the review. Same goes for the 680.

Remember - a review is about the product you are selling. Not the other one that can do XXX FPS in BF3

Your conspiracy theories are astoundingly funny.

Most review sites are completely neutral parties and not trying to sell any one product over another. And if reviews and FPS / Benchmark comparisons are so bad, why do you always use them as a basis in your threads to try and prove that 'setup A is better than setup B'?

The 680 and 7970 when both overclocked are very similar in performance

Yes they are. But they still are not identical which is what so many other people here are trying to say.
 
Yes they are. But they still are not identical which is what so many other people here are trying to say.

Very similar, comparable, identical. In this context we're just splitting hairs with the terminology.

I think what Bobisuruncle54 is after (so he can feel some sort of victory?) is for me to admit that the 2 cards stock vs stock, or clock for clock, that the 680 is the faster card. Funny thing is i've never even disputed that, I never even questioned it. Now he's getting aggressive and upset because he can't grasp that my point has always been OC Vs OC which includes whether the 7970 has a higher headroom.
 
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HotHardware used old worst performing 7970 driver so BS
AnandTech used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
Bit-Tech used release driver for 7970 so BS
Tom's Hardware Nvida bias junkies, not to be trusted, and used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
Tech Report used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
HardOCP fairest test so far, but static low clock on 7970 nerfs results compared to Nvidia 680's dynamic clocks
Hardware Canucks used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
TechpowerUp used release driver for 7970 so BS
Hexus used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
Guru3D used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
Legit Reviews Didn't OC the 7970 like other cards so biased
PureOverclock seems ok, but didn't include driver data, so chances are it's made up
Overclockers Club Overclocked the 680 past normal amounts to 1300, but left the 7970 at 1125!!
Tech Radar Doesn't give any driver info
PC Perspective used old worst performing 7970 driver so also BS
Overclock 3D.net Said it's identical to 7970
Hightech Legion Doesn't give any driver info
AlienBabelTech Overclocked the 680 far higher than the 7970
Xbit Labs Shows the 680 beating the 7970 in Heaven 3, which just doesn't happen, so whole review is bogus
 
Your conspiracy theories are astoundingly funny.

Really? hmm, strange that !

Here is some proof. I await yours.

The introduction to this review is quite a bit more cutting than you are probably used to here at OC3D, but we had to get it out there that we were very annoyed by NZXT's reaction to what was only ever honesty with the H2 Review.

They stalled for so long and have only just let us have a Havik sample thinking we cant do any damage now, which is a shame really because the only damage we would be doing would be to OTHER manufacturer sales because to put it simply the Havik is awesome.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/nzxt_havik_vs_noctua_nh-d14_review/1

What happened? Tom got a NZXT case in that tried to take on the Fractal R3. It lost, and he gave it a slating. Quelle surprise, NZXT threw a strop and went into a sulk and didn't send him any review samples for ages and deliberately held off giving him their Havik cooler as they worried he may have, you know? been honest about it.

As it happens he brown nosed the **** out of it, but that's what you have to do to put food on the table.
 
A thread SPECIFALLY about a particular 7970 turns into another 7970 vs 680 ****ing contest.

Why not just leave this thread for those that got the card and want to share experience?

Pretty sure there is about a dozen other threads on 680 vs 7970....
 
A thread SPECIFALLY about a particular 7970 turns into another 7970 vs 680 ****ing contest.

Why not just leave this thread for those that got the card and want to share experience?

Pretty sure there is about a dozen other threads on 680 vs 7970....

Agreed with this.
 
I thought you said reviews cant be trusted and dont count as valid proof, so why are you using them now?

Did you hear that whoosh? yes, I thought not. That was the point screaming over your head.

That was proof that reviews can not be trusted, because if you are rightly harsh on a product you get punished for it.

As I said, and will say again as you obviously failed to read it.

Tom reviewed a case fairly on OC3D. It really was rather rubbish.

NZXT threw a strop and struck him off the review samples/cash list.

NZXT released the Havik cooler and did not send one to OC3D as they were still sore about a honest review.

When they finally do part with a sample? it's marvellous, brilliant, got loads of praise and a gold award.

Coincidence? no, not really. It was just proof of how the market works, and it works in exactly the same way I explained to you earlier. There is no conspiracy theory, it's exactly as I explained it.

Forgotten about the lawsuits Atari slapped people with for pointing out that driv3r was a completely broken mess?

Or seen the 95% that Custom PC gave NFS The run? a game that could only do 30FPS on the PC as it was a load of console slop? obviously not.

But you keep taking those reviews for gospel eh?
 
The conclusion to this contest.

AMD has the better price performance ratio.

AMD stock clock is a little low.

The 680 has more features?

The 680 is a few FPS faster at stock depending on game.

Max over-clocks it really is 50/50.

Get what is best for you at the end of the day.
 
The conclusion to this contest.

AMD has the better price performance ratio.

AMD stock clock is a little low.

The 680 has more features?

The 680 is a few FPS faster at stock depending on game.

Max over-clocks it really is 50/50.

Get what is best for you at the end of the day.

COMMON SENSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ! NOT IN THIS DOJO !
 
The conclusion to this contest.

AMD has the better price performance ratio.

AMD stock clock is a little low.

The 680 has more features?

The 680 is a few FPS faster at stock depending on game.

Max over-clocks it really is 50/50.

Get what is best for you at the end of the day.

Yeah, and Andy isn't too keen on the reviewer industry :p
 
I agree with Dave's comment re : Overclock3d; in his video, TTL said in his opinion they were on par with each other.
 
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If people have got the eye balls to see the 1 to 2 fps difference in games between the 2 cards either way, needs to be looking at getting a new job tbh.
 
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