Tourists Banned From Dutch Cannabis Cafes

StonedPenguin · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:47

Moses said:
Ridiculous statement. Alcohol is MASSIVELY widely used. Cannabis isn't.

Cannabis is the most widely used illegal drug in the UK.

Threepwood · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:49

Brothels have a 'behind closed doors' perception - the drug use doesn't.

Just bonkers if you have not been there, it's the other way around in reality.... the shops are behind the doors and you will get a shock when yu walk past a curiously red lit window with a large black woman BANGING on the window to get your attention xD

I still find it ridiculous that 'your side' completely deny any possibility that there could be harm associated with its use, though . I'm arguing against 'your side's' absolutist stance, which is just retarded.

I'm well aware that you are in favour from this and other threads, you're missing my point

I'm not denying harmful effects, as we both know many, many things come with a risk. But that's life.

Spook187 · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:49

I hate all this goody two shoes attitude about cannabis is evil and wrong.

mattyfez · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:51

Moses said:
Alcohol is MASSIVELY widely used. Cannabis isn't.

Ahahahahaha!!! :confused:

Rex-Kramer · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:53

Shadesofgray

We must have been walking down the same street as i got banged by a large black woman.

Kenai · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:57

shadesofgrey said:
Just bonkers if you have not been there, it's the other way around in reality.... the shops are behind the doors and you will get a shock when yu walk past a curiously red lit window with a large black woman BANGING on the window to get your attention xD

Like I say though, the reality is completely and entirely irrelevant when it's the perception of the place that is the thing that will either attract or repel potential new tourism.

mattyfez · 29 Apr 2012 at 12:58

Moses said:
Laugh it up .

Alcohol is ubiquitous... cannabis isn't.

Wow, I want whatever you've been smoking, it must be some chronic sheet.

Robbo · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:03

Moses said:
Have you read the thread? I've said how I'd be in favour of legalising drugs...

I still find it ridiculous that 'your side' completely deny any possibility that there could be harm associated with its use, though . I'm arguing against 'your side's' absolutist stance, which is just retarded.

I completely agree with you. Widely available cannabis will accelerate usage and mean that it's yet another dangerous thing we can do without.

People can't manage alcohol sensibly, never mind this.

mattyfez · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:04

Moses said:
Yay, more quality argumentation from the stoner crowd .

Difficult to debate when someone has that point of view, you can say a dog is an eggplant all day long, it's still a dog.

Threepwood · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:04

StonedPenguin said:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-as-triad-cannabis-farms-grow-86908-22937013/

Thanks. But as I suspected it's height was during lower classification and has been falling since it was raised again.

Fwiw there are new guidelines for punishment in the UK regarding growing that only came out a month or two ago. If you grow 9 plants or less for personal use only you are only looking at a class C fine, which is a 150% your weekly wage, that's it.

If I didn't have kids I'ld grow a little for myself, as that is one of the aggravating factors that could take it from a catagory 4 crime into the higher bands.

The punishment for large scale cultivation has gone up, but it's no as bad as folk think atm in this country for growing a small ammount of personal. Quit tolerant new guidelines really.

burtie · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:04

I don't get the attraction with cannabis I used it a bit in my teenage years and found it the most boring thing ever.

steve-h · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:08

Kenai said:
I dunno, it's not the image of the drugs themselves but the image of legions of stoned potheads wandering the streets. Brothels don't conjure up an image of the streets being teeming with sexual perverts and rapists in the same way.

Some people have wild imaginations... unless I'm not wearing sunglasses you can barely tell when I'm high

Robbo said:
I completely agree with you. Widely available cannabis will accelerate usage and mean that it's yet another dangerous thing we can do without.

People can't manage alcohol sensibly, never mind this.

You say never mind this as if it's worse than alcohol... and cannabis already IS widely available... check out the stats from Portugal after they decriminialised - use stayed the same.

burtie said:
I don't get the attraction with cannabis I used it a bit in my teenage years and found it the most boring thing ever.

Maybe you were smoking oregano?

Threepwood · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:09

Rex-Kramer said:
Shadesofgray

We must have been walking down the same street as i got banged by a large black woman.

Tee hee, The silhouetted 1st floor girl with a stetson hat, knee high boots and nothing else grabbed my attention much better

StonedPenguin · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:12

shadesofgrey said:
Fwiw there are new guidelines for punishment in the UK regarding growing that only came out a month or two ago. If you grow 9 plants or less for personal use only you are only looking at a class C fine, which is a 150% your weekly wage, that's it.

If I didn't have kids I'ld grow a little for myself, as that is one of the aggravating factors that could take it from a catagory 4 crime into the higher bands.

The punishment for large scale cultivation has gone up, but it's no as bad as folk think atm in this country for growing a small ammount of personal. Quit tolerant new guidelines really.

Yeah I'm aware of the new sentencing guidelines, Though they didn't do Winston any good;

Mr. Matthews, a 55 year old grandfather who uses cannabis to manage chronic back pain incurred in an industrial accident 33 years ago, was convicted for both possession and cultivation of cannabis. He uses cannabis due to negative side effects from other treatments. Due to prior convictions for cannabis possession and cultivation, and Mr. Matthews’ refusal to stop medicating with cannabis, Judge Matthews handed down a sixteen month sentence. This is despite draft sentencing guidelines being published last week that seek to recognise the growing scientific consensus on the use of cannabis to control chronic pain.

http://cannabisforautism.wordpress....e-medical-cannabis-user-jailed-for-16-months/

Threepwood · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:18

Yeah, but that happened right before the new guidelines no? And he was growing outside, any idea how many he was growing? How large and what weight? Without knowing any of the mitigating features of the case I cant really comment

I do really feel for the guy tho. Sucks. Esp when you can grow some reeeeeealllllllyyyyyy dangerous plants if you like with no fear at all.

Edit: Ah I see, he has prior convictions for it. Bit silly then really

. Meh, it's all so stupid.

mattyfez · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:19

Moses said:
So you think cannabis is as ubiquitous as alcohol?

It's difficult to debate when someone can't accept self-evident truths! It's not a point of view, it's fact .

Pretty much, yes, But it's all relative. Alcahol is available in pretty much every corner shop in the country. Canabis is a phone call and a ten min wait, one could argue thats its more widley available than alcahol, one certainly doesnt have to make the effort to go to a shop for it.

That said, you would struggle to buy either on one of Saturns moons, Titan for example, they don't even have beer on draught over there.

To say alcahol is ubiquitous is a little misleading.

Threepwood · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:30

What don't you understand about it Moses?

In parts of the country it really is just a phone call away and it will be brought to you.

Regardless of what time it is. The shop is never closed, that's what he means by it being as, if not more ubiquitous than alcohol.

Robbo · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:40

mattyfez said:
Pretty much, yes, But it's all relative. Alcahol is available in pretty much every corner shop in the country. Canabis is a phone call and a ten min wait, one could argue thats its more widley available than alcahol, one certainly doesnt have to make the effort to go to a shop for it.

That said, you would struggle to buy either on one of Saturns moons, Titan for example, they don't even have beer on draught over there.

To say alcahol is ubiquitous is a little misleading.

Erm, what. :confused:

Having a drug dealers phone number (not a common thing among normal circles) is equal to a corner shop selling alcohol? Okay...

mattyfez · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:44

Robbo said:
Erm, what.

Having a drug dealers phone number (not a common thing among normal circles) is equal to a corner shop selling alcohol? Okay...

Normal circles? do you mean your circle?

Please don't ask me what 'normal' means. Look it up on http://www.wikipedia.org/ if you get confused.

semi-pro waster · 29 Apr 2012 at 13:46

shadesofgrey said:
What don't you understand about it Moses?

In parts of the country it really is just a phone call away and it will be brought to you.

Regardless of what time it is. The shop is never closed, that's what he means by it being as, if not more ubiquitous than alcohol.

This seems like a somewhat pointless direction to the conversation where there's an argument about the relative ubiquity of the various substances. Just because for some people it's potentially easier to get one substance than the other doesn't necessarily translate well to the rest of the country and perhaps more importantly does it really matter?

Back to the original topic - I'd be interested to see what the party proposing this thinks will be the benefits to the Netherlands. I've got to be honest that I can't imagine the amount of cross-border drugs trade from people purchasing in coffee shops (legally at present) is significant enough to make that a realistic reason for the ban.