grandmother, 94, beaten up in her bed as she slept

[The Halk]

I think that whoever did this deserves to be tortured to death, or just being dumped into the middle of the pacific ocean.

I cannot agree with that, I find your sentiment utterly disgusting and I'm glad you don't write the laws. I don't want any society I'm part of blackened by vile acts of revenge like that.

I await comments from the liberal pansies who believe that the person that did this can simply be rehabilitated.

Call me a liberal pansy all day if you like, but since you've just expressed a desire to torture someone to death I'd consider your opinion to be worthless.

As I've said above I cannot fathom how someone could be this sick, nor can I fathom how they could be reformed, but torture? Never.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

She will spend the rest of her years terrified of being left on her own .

Hopefully not but the chances are she will never recover from this and it will bring her life to an end a lot sooner.

 

[The Halk]

Really you have two choices
1) Keep them in Prison for a long time, where they are more likely to commit a crime if released
2) Have a sensible science led policy that decides the best time to release where they are least likely to recommit.
3) State sanctioned murder.

Back to maths class you go!

2) Is the best option.

Murder can't really be state sanctioned, if it is then it's not murder. I take your point though.

If I had faith that our justice system was far better than it is now then I'd want the death penalty, for cases where it's the measured opinion that someone is beyond rehabilitation. However those cases are so few and far between that it's probably better to just keep them in prison forever and not have a state that sanctions killing.

As for arguing with the reactionaries/fascists I don't know how successful that will be as I think they have a desire for blood and violence that will come pouring out when they feel it can be morally justified. I think it's really just an excuse for them to get angry and hate.

 

[[TW]Sponge]

I cannot agree with that, I find your sentiment utterly disgusting and I'm glad you don't write the laws. I don't want any society I'm part of blackened by vile acts of revenge like that.

Call me a liberal pansy all day if you like, but since you've just expressed a desire to torture someone to death I'd consider your opinion to be worthless.

As I've said above I cannot fathom how someone could be this sick, nor can I fathom how they could be reformed, but torture? Never.

Whoever did this has 'tortured' a poor fragile old lady. And you say you would never torture the **** back? Seriously?

 

[The Halk]

Whoever did this has 'tortured' a poor fragile old lady. And you say you would never torture the **** back? Seriously?

Of course seriously. Would you rape someone back? What kind of society is that? Two wrongs have never made a right. What kind of vile satisfaction would you get from someone being tortured? Torture is never acceptable, never permissible and should never be tolerated.

 

[T345]

Of course seriously. Would you rape someone back? What kind of society is that? Two wrongs have never made a right. What kind of vile satisfaction would you get from someone being tortured? Torture is never acceptable, never permissible and should never be tolerated.

+1,
If someone pushes someone of a cliff, will you push them or put them in prison?

 

[[TW]Sponge]

Of course seriously. Would you rape someone back? What kind of society is that? Two wrongs have never made a right. What kind of vile satisfaction would you get from someone being tortured? Torture is never acceptable, never permissible and should never be tolerated.

What would you have done to him/her? Jail for a couple of years, out earlier on good behavior for him/her to enjoy the rest of his/her life?

He/she has effectively ruined somebody's memory's of being on this earth. God only knows what she has been through in her lifetime, only for it to end like this.

Jail is nowhere near bad enough for this animal. Harsher punishments is exactly what we need in this country.

 

[Tyron]

Of course seriously. Would you rape someone back? What kind of society is that? Two wrongs have never made a right. What kind of vile satisfaction would you get from someone being tortured? Torture is never acceptable, never permissible and should never be tolerated.

Luckily your morals aren't shared by the majority of the world.

 

[RomanNose]

Well not much is going to change if the government sees spending money on prisons as an expense and not an investment on society.
Our re-offending rates are horrible and even though you can increase sentence length to cut the rate, it could just make the crimes done even worse.
If the government spent a bit more money now on providing an education for prisoners then it could drastically save money and decrease crime. I have always said that if you treat someone like a criminal they will behave like one.
The criminal justice system is not about retribution though, if someone attacked me I would feel far more comfortable to see him being a decent person in society than going back to crime again.

 

[bhavv]

I cannot agree with that, I find your sentiment utterly disgusting and I'm glad you don't write the laws.

I find what happened to the 94 year old granny far more disgusting.

Whoever did that to her deserves no place among humanity, not even in a prison cell.

If you object to the torture being carried out by other humans, then lock the criminal in a cage of starving lions, job done.

Luckily your morals aren't shared by the majority of the world.

+1. If our law system wasnt as pathetic as it currently is, I doubt anyone would be able to carry out such a crime against a 94 year old woman.

 

[T345]

I find what happened to the 94 year old granny far more disgusting.

Whoever did that to her deserves no place among humanity, not even in a prison cell.

They should put him in a cave and shut the exit and he can't get out, also they should do that to others like him

 

[RomanNose]

I find what happened to the 94 year old granny far more disgusting.

Whoever did that to her deserves no place among humanity, not even in a prison cell.



+1. If our law system wasnt as pathetic as it currently is, I doubt anyone would be able to carry out such a crime against a 94 year old woman.

You do realize that in some countries with much harsher punishments, these crimes happen just as much?

 

[Danthus]

+1. If our law system wasnt as pathetic as it currently is, I doubt anyone would be able to carry out such a crime against a 94 year old woman.

Lots of crime is committed spontaneously, I doubt in this instance the offender entered the house with the intention of beating the lady so tougher laws would have had no impact.

 

[bhavv]

You do realize that in some countries with much harsher punishments, these crimes happen just as much?

Against 94 year old women sleeping in their own beds, no I dont believe such a crime is a common occurrence even for criminals with the lowest moral standards.

I doubt in this instance the offender entered the house with the intention of beating the lady

So what exactly made the offender see a sleeping old woman and decide to do that then? And this case goes beyond a simple 'beating'.

 

[The Halk]

Luckily your morals aren't shared by the majority of the world.

Can't really make sense of that.

I'm opposed to torturing people as a means of revenge, and calling that justice.

If by the majority of the world do you mean corrupt African dictatorships, Muslim theocracies, China, North Korea, and where else exactly? That's hardly the majority and it's hardly a club you want to become a member of.

But feel free to go and live in one and see how happy you are.

 

[Tyron]

You people honestly think these crimes wouldn't drop to a rarity if the death penalty was implemented?

You only have to look in Asia/South America to see the evidence.

 

[RomanNose]

Against 94 year old women sleeping in their own beds, no I dont believe such a crime is a common occurrence even for criminals with the lowest moral standards.

Of course it's not common.
Similar equally vile crimes happen in countries with much harsher justice systems.

 

[T345]

Can't really make sense of that.

I'm opposed to torturing people as a means of revenge, and calling that justice.

If by the majority of the world do you mean corrupt African dictatorships, Muslim theocracies, China, North Korea, and where else exactly? That's hardly the majority and it's hardly a club you want to become a member of.

But feel free to go and live in one and see how happy you are.

In Saudi Arabia, they cut the hand off if they steal from a shop, the merchants leave gold and diamond stands and people don't touch them

 

[bhavv]

Of course it's not common.
Similar equally vile crimes happen in countries with much harsher justice systems.

No they really dont, and no where near as often. I cant see or imagine anything like this happening in a lot of Asian countries.

In Saudi Arabia, they cut the hand off if they steal from a shop, the merchants leave gold and diamond stands and people don't touch them

If true then there you go.

 

[RomanNose]

You people honestly think these crimes wouldn't drop to a rarity if the death penalty was implemented?

You only have to look in Asia/South America to see the evidence.

Western Europe has the lowest homicide rate of any region in the world.

No they really dont, and no where near as often.



If true then there you go.

You seriously saying that, it will take one minute to go on wikipedia to look at rape and homicide rates in other countries.