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You realize you're talking about a guy who doesn't think that education is a right, right?
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You realize you're talking about a guy who doesn't think that education is a right, right?
lol
I support an immigration policy that strictly limits non economic immigration and also has very strict conditions with regard to behaviour once any immigration visa has been authorised.
Basically, if you are a productive and law abiding member of our shared society then you are welcome to stay and work and raise your family here.....however if you are not then you are no longer in that privileged position and should be deported.......in my opinion this should apply to ALL immigration, including those from the EU.
We should always retain the Soveriegnty to decide who we cede the privilege of citizenship and residence to........unfortunately there is not much we can do about those born here...except educate and punish them accordingly.
Coming to live and work in the UK is a privilege, abuse that priviledge, lose that priviledge.
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So you think we should punish whole families for the crimes of an individual? How far do you go with that? What if it's a brother in a home of four? What if it's a father who's kids have moved out?
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Best of luck and I'm going to let the slightly hidden personal attack slide because I do the same thing
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if you are a productive and law abiding member of our shared society then you are welcome to stay and work and raise your family here
Seemed implied. Still, you're saying that someone doesn't deserve equal treatment under the law because of where they're from. What justification is there for that?
It's good to know that someone with intelligence thinks like this. I have no means of putting it across like you do, but you're right with everything you say in that there post.
Not implied or stated......you are simply wrong.
And they deserve and should receive equal treatment under the law, and due to the conditional nature of their residence visa, when they have served whatever sentence is handed to them they are then returned to their country of origin. Of course any welfare issues of children or complications thereof should be fully considered before any final decision is made, hence why I clearly stipulated I was talking 'basically'.
The justification is in the acceptance of the conditions for residence in the UK....there is no unfairness in this because no-one is being forced to apply for residence status. It is no different from many other Western Nations who have similar conditional visa stipulations.
We have to differentiate between Legal Permanent Residency, which should be limited and only issued after a significant period when certain criteria are met, Economic Residence, whereby the residence is purely due to the individuals employment status, and Naturalisation which again should only be considered after a significant period and certain criteria are met.........the later would mean that for all intents and purposes the immigrant becomes British, the others do not.
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You've really said what everybody thinks but avoided the difficult parts - although you've been quite clear about it being non-economic migration you're concerned about. Good. Economic migration is healthy for the economy.
What happens when we'd deport an asylum seeker for petty theft back to wherever they came from. What if we know they'll be tortured and/or killed. By deporting them we're complicit in the death penalty.
As for EU nationals our hands are tied. Because we're in the EU then their problems are our problems, and ours are theirs. Sadly I would expect we get more than our fair share of problems. It also doesn't help us being in the EU when it comes to non-EU migration, especially when Italy and other countries policy on non-desirables is to get them out of the country as fast as possible.
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I wouldn't say wrong, just misunderstood. Misunderstanding? Whatever
I mean to ask why they have less of a right to be in the country than say, you? What you've described isn't equal treatment under the law, if one person gets three months community service and the other person gets three months community service then deportation for exactly the same crime. If the law dictates that, for (a simplified) example, a serious theft is punishable by two years prison then the punishment should be two years in prison, not two years in prison plus deportation.
Surely knowing that this will happen to them is a big enough deterrent to make them abide by the law, it would me, maybe i'm missing something here?
You are missing something, what if they still broke the law - do you put them on a plane knowing they be killed as a result?
I wouldn't say wrong, just misunderstood. Misunderstanding? Whatever
I mean to ask why they have less of a right to be in the country than say, you? What you've described isn't equal treatment under the law, if one person gets three months community service and the other person gets three months community service then deportation for exactly the same crime. If the law dictates that, for (a simplified) example, a serious theft is punishable by two years prison then the punishment should be two years in prison, not two years in prison plus deportation.
Why should they be allowed to stay, in an area they CHOSE to live in, when they don't intend to follow the rules they agreed to on entry?
I don't usually like to post in these threads but.
I thought the reason for that is, there is no market for Asian girls and white girls are preferred?
I wouldn't say wrong, just misunderstood. Misunderstanding? Whatever
I mean to ask why they have less of a right to be in the country than say, you?
The inherent rights of to reside in your country of birth are well established and unfortunately we do not yet live in a truely global border less and equal society under one banner......so I think we needn't derail the discussion with idealism that has no basis in current political or economic reality.
However the deportation is not and added punishment for the crime, it is because of a failure to comply with the agreed upon conditions of their residence visa. That one of those conditions is abiding by the law is immaterial to whatever sentence is given.
Castiel you ever thought about going into politics?
Next you will be saying that its okay to live 8 to an house and price indigenous people out of work.
Britain is broke, we are importing a load of trouble already have, 1991 EU ruling on immigration was the death of this country and many others, we are in 2012 and Europe is ****
Next you will be saying that its okay to live 8 to an house and price indigenous people out of work.
Britain is broke, we are importing a load of trouble already have, 1991 EU ruling on immigration was the death of this country and many others, we are in 2012 and Europe is ****
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Because the country was a real bastion of wealth and equality before 1991? 
Pricing indigenous people out of work? We have a minimum wage, all that can happen is indigenous people refuse to work unless they get paid xxx above it.
When a Polish migrant is employed over a British youth then the problem is the British youth.
When a Polish migrant is employed over a British youth then the problem is the British youth.