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Does anyone know anymore about the Kepler recall rumour?

gregster said:

This guy is showing how the stuttering is happening. He goes from 120hz to 60hz at 4:00 if you want to skip the 120hz playing.

Not what I would call a game killer but I imagine it could be frustrating.

As for the Fanboy thread Tommy, I am glad it got deleted. The guy was such a Fan but kept claiming he was Neutral. At least I am honest when I slate AMD for being an NVIDIA fanboy :p
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Well he did say it would not be visible on his camera because it is recording at much less frame rates, he is just showing the FPS counter.

Anyway what is really bad about that video is the use of an xbox controller. Was this latest generation of PC gamers (post-counterstrike I guess) dropped on their heads a lot as babies? It's illegal to use only your knees to steer a car but somehow this counter productive window licking is widespread?
In 120Hz mode he also had the FPS limited to 60..wtf? [/rant]
 
MichaelM said:
Well he did say it would not be visible on his camera because it is recording at much less frame rates, he is just showing the FPS counter.

Anyway what is really bad about that video is the use of an xbox controller. Was this latest generation of PC gamers (post-counterstrike I guess) dropped on their heads a lot as babies? It's illegal to use only your knees to steer a car but somehow this counter productive window licking is widespread?
In 120Hz mode he also had the FPS limited to 60..wtf? [/rant]
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Yer. I guess if you was in front of the screen you would see it easier.

I have to agree 100% with you on the xbox controller....No need at all. I am not a bad pilot in the heli or the jet on BF3 and hate when guys say they use a controller for flying :(

I think Bethesda coding has limited the game to 60fps. I am not sure if there is a work around and I am so bored with the game, I can't be bothered to even look.
 
tommybhoy said:
You mentioned it's pointless showing single users to then edit your post to point it out yourself.
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It's not edited after 23:16 yesterday????

tommybhoy said:
Leave it out please, I realised the point of your thread was but as I said it's the wrong way to go about it, you should go and start a less baiting thread instead please.
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Is that aimed at me or Chillipeppersc? Sorry it's not clear...

tommybhoy said:
I'm in disagreement with you over folks changing cards in general due to driver problems, where as the stutter problem imo is a bigger problem in general, hence my counter reference to Andy, somebody who didn't know the history behind it would perceive it wrongly.

The bigger picture is Nvidia's stutter fault, whether you or others don't have the problem, elsewhere outwith OcUK, lots are, which is losing Nvidia customers in one way or another.

AMD's much publicised driver failings bare no resemblance to the topic at hand which you have pointed out a few times prior to my comment in reply elsewhere in this thread.

When one card has a problem, would it be such a hassle to talk about it rather than deflect the point at hand?
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AMD are losing customers over poor crossfire driver support for their 7*** series as well just to cite an example. We can argue about which is a bigger problem but it's all a bit meaningless without figures and facts.

We are talking about it - I'm not denying the issue is there nor am I saying it's minor for the people that's it's affecting. What I am saying is that it affects the minority.
 
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gregster said:
I have to agree 100% with you on the xbox controller....No need at all.
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Unless much like myself, you want to use one in certain games.:D

Using 3D, I want to be further away from the screen for better effect, the 360 controller is easier to use than a mouse and keyboard sitting on your lap.
 
Rusty0611 said:
It's not edited after 23:16 yesterday????



Is that aimed at me or Chillipeppersc? Sorry it's not clear...



AMD are losing customers over poor crossfire driver support for their 7*** series as well. We can argue about which is a bigger problem but it's all a bit meaningless without figures and facts.
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My mistake on the edited part then, but that's moot, the same as 7 series CrossFire issues are on a tiny scale compared to single series card issues, but you again proved my point about bring up another vendors unrelated failings in regards to the topic at hand, there is simply no need, there are plenty other threads to discuss it in.:(

Yes, it was aimed at Chillipepper.
 
It is related. It's a manufacturers failure to provide a proper working product/service.

If you wind all the way back you'll see that me bringing AMD into it was a way of illustrating that just like only a minority of people have AMD driver issues the same can be said of this and there's no need to recommend against the card or in some cases actively campaign to spread the word and make it sound like it's more of a problem that it is.

What happened after then was the usual suspects weighing in with the rhetoric etc etc.

Spread the word that there may be a problem fine. The brand favouritism stuff is even fine to a point. But deliberately being short-sighted is not really acceptable when giving advice.

It might have been on another thread if not this one but it was the same posters.

Edit: I'm not saying it shouldn't be a consideration - I'm just saying lay down the facts - no need to over-egg it. The same goes when talking about AMD drivers. Say there's a perceived notion that the drivers are worse and move on :)
 
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Rusty0611 said:
AMD are losing customers over poor crossfire driver support for their 7*** series as well just to cite an example. We can argue about which is a bigger problem but it's all a bit meaningless without figures and facts.
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I've been playing with the idea of getting 670 SLI and from what i've been able to tell the 600's are suffering worse in that respect, they are at least as broken as AMD's but scale worse as well apparently.
 
MichaelM said:
I've been playing with the idea of getting 670 SLI and from what i've been able to tell the 600's are suffering worse in that respect, they are at least as broken as AMD's but scale worse as well apparently.
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Links? The reviews I've read of 6** SLI all end with glowing comments and some of them say they can't recommend 7*** crossfire in its current form so I'm a little dubious.

Inevitably there'll be issues lurking - there always is with multi-GPU. It's a shame it doesn't work more reliably and importantly, consistently, by now.
 
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Lol, Rusty, are you a politician mate?

Thread title:

'Does anyone know anymore about the Kepler recall rumour?'

Short answer:

Not much really, though Nvidia rubbished the claim, whether it's true or not, time will tell.

Point out why it should read:

Not much really, though Nvidia rubbished the claim, whether it's true or not, time will tell, besides, Amd's drivers 'stink'!
 
I've already pointed out how it turned into mentioning AMD. If you want to ignore that point then fine. When you make a point, you generally try to back it up with examples. Just because you don't like the example... :p
 
Rusty0611 said:
I'm not sure that's conclusive evidence of general poor support on its own :p

The reviewer should have realised they were voltage locked before purchasing. Second issue he raised sounds like the mentioned stuttering in this thread.

From gregster:
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Yea, but as it was much sooner than this thread made it popular to admit to stuttering it gives some weight that it is a honest opinion on user experience.

I'm just saying as much as people feel (not based on personal observation) crossfire might not be great right now the same can be said for SLI.
 
I'm not ignoring anything Rusty, merely pointing out the deflecting of blame.;)

All the rest doesn't affect me as I'm not using any, win win for me, no dodgy stuttering or scaling issues for me regardless of vendors!:D
 
MichaelM said:
I'm just saying as much as people feel (not based on personal observation) crossfire might not be great right now the same can be said for SLI.
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I think you are confusing the issue, SLI in and of itself is fine (and scaling very well in from 1 to 2 cards), the stutter issue is not related to SLI

(+1 to the 6xx users not having any stutter issues here by the way)
 
windheaven said:
i heard recall news on 670's ...is it true?
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Yes it is, for one model from one manufacturer. EVGA 670 SOC I believe.

andybird123 said:
I think you are confusing the issue, SLI in and of itself is fine (and scaling very well in from 1 to 2 cards), the stutter issue is not related to SLI
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If it was a stand alone post I would agree but when viewed in context of the post I quoted and the previous replies between us, it is not confused.
 
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Well I am sorry if my previous thread was tedious. I wanted to partake in a discussion about the subject, but as its gone no worries and no offense taken.

Anyway on the subject, returning your card because of driver issues after it was only just released is almost madness. It might be better to wait for a month or 3 to purchase new cards if you are the kind of person that is not willing to attempt to fix any issues/problems encountered if it is likely to only be driver related. It surely must be considered normal for almost EVERY product that undergoes development and uses drivers/updates to encounter release issues (games, SSD's, Programs, GPU's, Smartphones etc) they all require updates.

If it is hardware related then there is serious cause for concern, but at present Nvidia have said it IS driver related therefore it will be fixed. If it is not fixed by June as stated then there will be a reason to return and/or demand a fix from Nvidia, but I dont think they will risk the company reputation on such a matter.

If it is hardware related they will either patch over it as best as possible, or recall EVERY 6xx series which is highly highly doubtful.
 
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