Poll: Poll: Do you believe in an afterlife?

Do you believe in an aferlife?

  • Yes

    Votes: 102 17.5%

  • No

    Votes: 380 65.2%

  • undecided

    Votes: 101 17.3%
  • Total voters
    583
  • Poll closed .
EvilFranky said:
Ok then prove that there is such a thing.
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Neither has to prove anything relating to human spirituality....each simply has to accept that each has a different view......as the person with the negative view seems to be the one who is clearly stating that anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot, the subject of proof would lie with him proving, not whether Man has a soul/spirit or whatever you define as being outside our corporeal existence, but proving that disagreeing with him makes that person an idiot.
 
Freefaller said:
Please don't use personal attacks or call people idiots. It's just not on - just because you're behind a keyboard and too gutless or haven't got the perpiscacity to make a decent argument and resorting to name calling makes you really look rather daft.
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I know you're making a serious point but God damn, if you don't make me pant like a teenager when you get all masterful :o


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Mitzy said:
Uh oh.

Couple of things to point out, there is no such thing as a spirit.

The fella you quoted cannot believe a negative, therefore his argument is not based in belief.

If you believe in an afterlife you are an *no insults*.
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I thought the professor in "The Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown proved it? :p
 
Castiel said:
Therein lies the question.....as the corporeal individual you see before you, no.......but otherwise?....who can say, hense mankinds obsession with the question.
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I can say, because it's rather simple mathematics.

If you accept the number of living organisms have exponentially increased since the big bang, then clearly most living things couldn't have existed before (else the amount of life on earth would be a constant with a 'one in one out' policy on life and death).

So now if you want to continue a belief in reincarnation you have to explain when a new life is born, where and how it's decided whether this new life will be a reincarnation of an old one or a brand new one that has never existed before.

Besides, if you argue reincarnation is not impossible but we have no sense of memory of any life we had before our present one, then it becomes indistinguishable from there being no reincarnation from any practical point of view.

I would suspect the vast majority of people who believe in life after death do so because they think (or rather hope) they will continue to exist in some form with their current memories and consciousness.
 
Castiel said:
Neither has to prove anything relating to human spirituality....each simply has to accept that each has a different view......as the person with the negative view seems to be the one who is clearly stating that anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot, the subject of proof would lie with him proving, not whether Man has a soul/spirit or whatever you define as being outside our corporeal existence, but proving that disagreeing with him makes that person an idiot.
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No you are right, no one has a responsibility to prove his or hers views on this subject...that's my point of then asking the same question, but not expecting an answer. It's impossible to prove for the argument of an afterlife. But it's the believers who have posed the scenario of a magical post existence so if they want people to get on there side of the fence then there needs to be more than just 'it exists because I say it does'.
 
I personally think there is something although nobody is ever likely going to come back and tell us, so scientific proof will never happen, if you said 500years ago that you can fly into space or use your mind to move an artificial arm you would have been burnt at the stake for witchcraft.

Just because it has not been proven does not mean it does not exist, too much our minds cannot comprehend to be nothing, too many questions about the universe we do not know, one day you will all have your answer :)
 
EvilFranky said:
No you are right, no one has a responsibility to prove his or hers views on this subject...that's my point of then asking the same question, but not expecting an answer. It's impossible to prove for the argument of an afterlife. But it's the believers who have posed the scenario of a magical post existence so if they want people to get on there side of the fence then there needs to be more than just 'it exists because I say it does'.
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You seem to view this as an argument to be won or lost. Unfortunately too many people have an over inflated sense of their own importance and revel in the opportunity to display their own perceived superiority.

Speaking for myself I have belief. Whether others share that belief is up to them.
 
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I believe we'll go back to the earth\universe. But I don't believe there will be any consciousness.

I wish, Oh dear GOD do I wish there was an afterlife.

But if wishing worked, there would be genies, and if there were genies, I'd be inclined to believe in God.
 
EvilFranky said:
No you are right, no one has a responsibility to prove his or hers views on this subject...that's my point of then asking the same question, but not expecting an answer. It's impossible to prove for the argument of an afterlife. But it's the believers who have posed the scenario of a magical post existence so if they want people to get on there side of the fence then there needs to be more than just 'it exists because I say it does'.
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What makes you think that believers want you on "their side of the fence"? We're not, on the whole, remotely evangelical about it, understanding that it's an entirely personal thing, which anyone is free to choose to believe in, or not. I tend to find militant atheists get a lot more worked up about convincing people they're wrong.

Edit/ I don't mean you personally in that, obviously :)
 
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estebanrey said:
I can say, because it's rather simple mathematics.
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So you claim to have proven a position with simple mathematics....if this is so, why is it that you are not world renowned?;)

estebanrey said:
If you accept the number of living organisms have exponentially increased since the big bang, then clearly most living things couldn't have existed before (else the amount of life on earth would be a constant with a 'one in one out' policy on life and death).

So now if you want to continue a belief in reincarnation you have to explain when a new life is born, where and how it's decided whether this new life will be a reincarnation of an old one or a brand new one that has never existed before.

Besides, if you argue reincarnation is not impossible but we have no sense of memory of any life we had before our present one, then it becomes indistinguishable from there being no reincarnation from any practical point of view.

I would suspect the vast majority of people who believe in life after death do so because they think (or rather hope) they will continue to exist in some form with their current memories and consciousness.
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Like I said earlier, you cannot predispose a corporeal criteria to a spiritual one. You are limiting the entire gamut of ideas and beliefs onto a corporeal definition of what existence is.

The 'there's too many people, the afterlife would fill up' argument is extremely simplistic and intellectually immature (not you personally, just the idea) as it doesn't consider the supposed innate differences between the physical and the spiritual or that there is no corporeal requirement for a spiritual afterlife or even an universal definition of what constitutes an afterlife or whether it even applies to any universal constraints such as matter, space, time, or laws therein.....not to mention that even within modern science there is some degree of thought regarding infinite multiverses and the idea that this universe is not alone in what we might consider existence.

I think the issue of practicality is therefore redundant, as it is one of conceptually rather than practicality.
 
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EvilFranky said:
No you are right, no one has a responsibility to prove his or hers views on this subject...that's my point of then asking the same question, but not expecting an answer. It's impossible to prove for the argument of an afterlife. But it's the believers who have posed the scenario of a magical post existence so if they want people to get on there side of the fence then there needs to be more than just 'it exists because I say it does'.
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I do not see anyone in this thread using derogatory terms in relation to the non-believers........they by and large simply hold a different opinion.
 
spudbynight said:
You seem to view this as an argument to be won or lost. Unfortunately too many people have an over inflated sense of their own importance and revel in the opportunity to display their own perceived superiority.

Speaking for myself I have belief. Whether others share that belief is up to them.
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Well to me it is, there either is an afterlife or there isn't one.

I don't actually care whether there is one or isn't one to be quite honest, but to have the evidence to say either way would be nice.
 
EvilFranky said:
Well to me it is, there either is an afterlife or there isn't one.
I don't actually care whether there is one or isn't one to be quite honest, but to have the evidence to say either way would be nice.
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Well unfortunately we don't have evidence either way. I would love to be able to show you video footage of heaven.

What people need to do is reach a position they are comfortable with. Most people reach a view through reason. This is why you have people who cease to believe despite their upbringing. This is also why you have people who, like I did, move the other way.
 
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