No, it isn't. That's the work programme - that's them applying for paid jobs. If they're not trying they can get some of their benefits taken off them for a while. It doesn't force you to stack shelves for free.
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No, it isn't. That's the work programme - that's them applying for paid jobs. If they're not trying they can get some of their benefits taken off them for a while. It doesn't force you to stack shelves for free.
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If you live in central London maybe. There are parts of the north of England where there simply are no jobs. Also, try looking for work when you are over 30 it gets harder again when you hit 40.
Bringing unemployed people in and then telling them to sleep under London Bridge for the night? You don't think that's shocking?
we pay for their food and housing, seems reasonable to me... without my / our tax they would either have to get a job or die
The north of England is screwed, the previous administration covered up for the lack of jobs by employing loads of people in the public sector subsidised by the rest of the country.. the north will see the worst of the cuts and is in the poorest situation to bear them.
I was just going to post this, it seems both you and Halk are right..funny that when you are saying opposite things
If you are on JSA the work programme is required.
If you are on income support or Inc Ben it is voluntary.
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I must admit that I don't live in the North, but I have no idea why finding work at 30 is supposed to be harder. At 30 you have another 37 working years left in you so you are hardly 'past it'!.
At 30 if you should have plenty of useful work experience behind you - You must have done something since you were 16!
At 40 you could have been a managing director, or a lawyer, or a chartered engineer, have your own plumbing business etc. If you have just sat on a checkout for 24 years then you are indeed screwed!
Only those who are 40 and have never achieved anything will be stuck.
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No, it isn't. It isn't anything to do with people applying for paid jobs. I have shown direct links to DWP policy and I have also told you of first hand experiences someone I know is currently going through.
You haven't been able to back your position up with anything substantial.
It would be shocking if that was true, yes. But it is not.
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I was just going to post this, it seems both you and Halk are right..funny that when you are saying opposite things
If you are on JSA the work programme is required.
If you are on income support or Inc Ben it is voluntary.
Look at who can claim income support or incapacity benefit.
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However there are people who have "just" been stuck on a checkout. It doesn't make them lazy - just less capable. There are plenty of people who want to work but are unable to find work. I live in the South East and while unemployment is relatively low here I still know people struggling to find work.
A good friend of mine is out of work and has been for 9 months. He used to be Marketing Director for a pharma company. He has been for lots of interviews and hasn't managed to get a new job yet. He is in his early 50s and I can't imagine anyone hiring him for anything other than what he has done to date. The problem though is he is being interviewed for jobs by guys with less experience than he has.
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I have shown direct links to DWP policy including mandatory unpaid work.
Do you not think that forcing someone to work against their will for nothing is a form of slavery?
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It makes them both lazy (clock in, sit there looking stupid all day, clock out. I know as when I was a student I did that as a job) and no-hopers who never want to achieve anything with their life. If you are 40 and Asda checkouts is all that is on your CV, then I wish you luck finding a job as you will need it!
No it doesn't, not everyone is set out to be a chartered engineer or a lawyer.
We need jobs at the bottom end as well at the top end.
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As far as I understand it, there are several different schemes, some of which are mandatory and do come with sanctions for failing to work for your jobseekers allowance.
I think what you were talking about earlier is a different scheme, whereby it is not mandatory to join the scheme, but if you back out after having already agreed then a sanction on your benefits can be made.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/engla..._for_work_e/government_employment_schemes.htm
Last year I left University early and had no job to walk into, I spent a few months claiming jobseekers allowance before I found a job, I was forced onto one of these schemes myself and in essence it was slave labour, and the job assigned to me was providing me with "skills" which were completely irreleavnt to the jobs which I was searching for. It was 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, completely unpaid which in my opinion is slave labour, especially taking into account the physical nature of the job they gave me.
I refused, I was threatened with a sanction but didn't back down, I was then moved into a more suitable placement which I completed and ended up getting a job at the end of it so the ending was happy but the experience in general left a bad taste in my mouth. These people being asked to sleep rough as well is just horrific if true.
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Start at the bottom and move your way up. I'd rather be dead than think that the next 20 years of my life would be as a checkout donkey.
A bloke where I work had a temp contract that was recently terminated. He was an engineer but had such a defeatest attitude 'ohhhhh there is just no work out there' so we didn't renew when his time was up.
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We still need people long term at the bottom otherwise we will run out of checkout ladies.
Even simple jobs require a fair bit of intelligence due to the bureaucracy of today.
What's your advice for someone who doesn't have the mental capacity for anything more than menial labour?
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Grow up, bloody kids.
A few months ago a big manufacturing place shut down up in the north near me and over 400 people were out of a job some of who have been in jobs since they left school and never on benefits.
You would begrudge them benefits treating them like slaves just because you 'pay their benefits'?
Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
I doubt it would make a difference in some parts of the UK - some communities just have an attitude that they are owed a living, they're not likely to want to relocate to find a job even if the economy was doing well. In fact the whole attitude that someone else has to give them a job in the first place is a bit defeatist.
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Mental capacity and working hard are mutually exclusive.
I've seen supermarket managers that haven't a GCSE to their name, but that doesn't mean they don't have ambition or work hard.
I've seen college dropouts with several houses and a booming building business.
The world owes you nothing, but some of the British working class seem to think it does.