Unemployed bussed in to steward jubilee, unpaid and asked to sleep rough

wannabedamned said:
I've just seen your posts in the other thread(Jubilee). You really do talk nonesense dont you.

Whats wrong with introducing an NVQ in toilet cleaning exactly? It would show you're qualified would it not. And also if applying for a position of a toilet cleaner, give you a foot up over others without the qualification. :)
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whats the point?? NVQs are devalued enough as it is, also I used to work in a prison I could have done an NVQ in custodial care but whats the point, its only good for that job, they also give NVQs out like candy to prisoners.

you have a choice of someone with a degree or an NVQ, no one is ever going to take the guy with the NVQ

Oh and the only people who think NVQ's are good are the ones that didn't get normal qualifications i.e gcse, a level, degree
 
KNiVES said:
These same volunteers also rightly expected actual accomodation and food, not to be told they are to sleep under a bridge out in the rain with no money, no food and no shelter.
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Yeah if I arrived somewhere two hours early by coach I'd rightly demand that my employer provide food and accommodation for those two hours. To have to rough sleep like that is an abuse of human rights - despite also having waterproofs, warm clothes and a tent in my possession.
 
dowie said:
Yeah if I arrived somewhere two hours early by coach I'd rightly demand that my employer provide food and accommodation for those two hours. To have to rough sleep like that is an abuse of human rights - despite also having waterproofs, warm clothes and a tent in my possession.
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Ah when I scimmed the article earlier thought they arrived at 11pm not departed - still seems pretty poorly planned.
 
The Halk said:
I'm very wary about forcing people to work for their benefits. In principle it's sound, but in practice I worry about it being poorly implemented and unemployed being exploited.
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Agree, as this case shows. Most companies will just rub their hands at the thought of extra profit theough zero staffing expenditure with no intention of taking people on as they claim in this article.

Shocking case and the company involved (if the facts are proved) should be barred from the scheme in future and look at potential censure and prosecution if deemed serious enough.
 
scorza said:
Yeah sorry I confused people sleeping under London Bridge with people sleeping rough. Wait, what?
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This one time my employer sent me on a trip overseas, I arrived at an airport a couple of hours early and had to sleep rough on some seats.... was terrible.
 
UK-AL05 said:
Depends where you work I guess. We however have name for them "Not Very Qualified". Especially Level 2
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An apprentice with an Level 3 NVQ is probably more qualified for the job than most people with degrees. Due to actually doing the job.

Just so you know, the only qualification I had initially was a Level 3 NVQ - ICT for Practioners. It got me into a job at the university of Sheffield as a Voice and Data Networking Engineer, And I went on from there to work for a school as the head Technician.

All on an NVQ + Experience

I now hold more professional qualifications, due to certain sectors wanting them. But there's no denying entry points to jobs are never set in stone
 
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wannabedamned said:
An apprentice with an Level 3 NVQ is probably more qualified for the job than most people with degrees. Due to actually doing the job.

Just so you know, the only qualification I had initially was a Level 3 NVQ - ICT for Practioners. It got me into a job at the university of Sheffield as a Voice and Data Networking Engineer, And I went on from there to work for a school as the head Technician.

All on an NVQ + Experience

I now hold more professional qualifications, due to certain sectors wanting them. But there's no denying entry points to jobs are never set in stone
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Does NVQ actually involve doing the job? Last time I checked, you can go to a job centre and enter a NVQ course without having to do the job commercially for free.

Your experience is what's valued, not the qualification.

NVQ might be ok for entering other qualifications, but I don't see employers asking for it as a standalone thing.
 
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Probably already been posted in four pages of thread, but y'know...

Up to 30 jobseekers and another 50 people on apprentice wages were taken to London by coach from Bristol, Bath and Plymouth as part of the government's Work Programme.

Two jobseekers, who did not want to be identified in case they lost their benefits, said they had to camp under London Bridge the night before the pageant. They told the Guardian they had to change into security gear in public, had no access to toilets for 24 hours, and were taken to a swampy campsite outside London after working a 14-hour shift in the pouring rain on the banks of the Thames on Sunday.
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Paid Apprentice wages.

Two camped under London Bridge. Two.

To be honest there were people who would have given quite a bit to have been that close to the pageant, and quite a few people slept out on the streets to see a lot of the celebrations. Voluntarily, admittedly, but still.

I'll join the core of shoulder shruggers.

It's the Jubilee.... A, I very much doubt the Queen herself, or any member of the Royal family had any knowledge about this, and B, people have worked a lot harder and done a lot worse things in the past.

The difference between an NVQ and a Degree is really the entry point. People with Degrees can enter higher (on average). After experience mind, it probably balances out a bit.

kd
 
I always find it funny that they are saying its unpaid work. They are getting paid through their benefits. Government actually getting something back rather than throwing it into a sink. Tbh every person that has been unemployed x amount of time should be required to work for government for periods of time.
Admittedly they could have actually housed them rather than under the bridge (with a decent waterproof tent and decent sleeping bags) or give the option work a little bit longer we whack you up in a hostel/hotel.
 
I disagree with the principle of people working for a private company in exchange for access to welfare. I think being forced to do menial jobs without being paid by that employer does a different psychological and self-confidence damage to that otherwise inflicted by not doing anything day in, day out.

It would be much better if the government would simply pay the employer (direct or via tax break, preferably the latter) to take people on and the employer then pay that person through their typical payroll. It is slightly less efficient but feels much, much better for the worker.

That would solve the issue of people quite reasonably feeling like "I am working for free, I am also stuck on the dole. My chances of promotion or working upwards are slim, as I am on an isolated programme. I have the worse of both worlds."
 
I'm sure no-one would have complained if they they gave them somewhere to ****

Gave them somewhere to change and gave them somewhere warm to sleep..

We aren't animals.
 
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