Possible Death Penalty for Drug Smuggling Housewife
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I can't believe they even contemplated the death penalty! Screwed up world. I would never agree with the death penalty, but in particular for offences unrelated to mortality.
What if they made her blow up a school?
Not to be a pedant but it's actually for an entrance (usually tourism) visa, it's not a waiver as such as it is a visa you receive. Your nationality still needs to be eligible for a visa upon entry, if you are not eligible then you need a pre-applied for visa, those details then go on the landing card also.
It's just the US having to be different with their "Visa Waiver Program" and forcing people to pre-apply on ESTA also.
This is where she was stupid beyond anything, if her son was being threatened, why on earth did she not go to the Police?
Be pedantic all you want mate, I didn't really read too much into it, was told to just fill it in as I was there for business but didn't need a visa (due to some technicality about being office based).
I was only there 2 weeks and we had guys doing this for a year in 3 month stints.
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Exactly, or take him back to India, or anything else (if she's even telling the truth).
Stupid bint who knew what she was doing.
I agree it can make people act irrationally, but if say my mother was being held hostage... Which isn't even what was happening with her son, as she could have warned him or hid him away... If they told me to carry a package or not to talk to the Police, I still would. It's not the movies, they aren't going to be monitoring your phone calls to see if you ring the Police.
If she had gone to the Police, she could have had protection for her son, may have been used to help catch them, possibly nabbing even more gang members.... But most importantly, she wouldn't be facing the rest of her life rotting in jail... Or potentially put to death.
Some people may arguably deserve the death penalty, I don't think she does though... it seems a tad harsh.
Still, what she did was foolish in the extreme. She'll have to suffer the consequences.
She won't get the death penalty though, I'd find that very surprising.
Still, what she did was foolish in the extreme. She'll have to suffer the consequences.
She won't get the death penalty though, I'd find that very surprising.
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I'm going to Bali soon.
Errr, I better not smuggle any drugs
Death penalty is totally stupid though.
Virtually all se asia countries have death to drug traffikers embossed in big red letters on their landing cards and immigration forms.
Warned up front, you get killed.
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If she was indonesian, she'd have been taken to the clearing and shot by now btw.
Althought they talk about rarely enforced, thats for foreigners, they do tend to enforce their laws unless you are very rich and an bribe your way out.
Althought they talk about rarely enforced, thats for foreigners, they do tend to enforce their laws unless you are very rich and an bribe your way out.
There's two reasons supporting tough penalties there.
1) To make sure if you're in that position you weigh up the pros and cons of doing it.
2) To make sure criminals don't try crime thinking they can claim to have been coerced.
LOL.
Oh wait, was this a serious post?.
The death penalty doesn't work, it's not a deterrent & the justice system (even more so in some nations) can be full of corruption & are all fallible.
People make mistakes - including prosecutors, you can let out somebody from prison if they are later found innocent, you can't "unexecute" somebody.
"At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt."
"In the U.K., reviews prompted by the Criminal Cases Review Commission have resulted in one pardon and three exonerations for people executed between 1950 and 1953 (when the execution rate in England and Wales averaged 17 per year), with compensation being paid"
I also love it when so called "anti-authoritarian" types support giving the state the power to kill citizens.
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She was smuggling drugs which would have ruined many lives and claimed many as well, so the death penalty is fitting. She new the penalty yet choose to commit the crime.
Agree with Katana, the death penalty would certainly reduce crime rates, some lovely copy and pastes elmarko but it doesnt really seem like you are against the death penalty, more against the people using it.
Tell me something, if there was no corruption, someone absolutely did do the crime, would you agree with it then? and it most definitely is a deterrent, if it's known that the punishment for a crime is death i'm sure a lot of people would think twice.
Tell me something, if there was no corruption, someone absolutely did do the crime, would you agree with it then? and it most definitely is a deterrent, if it's known that the punishment for a crime is death i'm sure a lot of people would think twice.
I remember seeing the 'Death to drug traffickers' signs in Denpasar airport a couple of years ago, I would have pood myself if I was a smuggler!
To be fair though, somewhere along the line a pile of drugs that big is going to be the death scentence for somebody; whether it be a dealer getting shot by a rival gang, a user killing innocents in a botched robbery, or just someone ruining their lives due to hopeless addiction.
I am of the personal opinion that all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, opiates, cocaine, extacy, should be legalised and taxed. But she played a dangerous game with little regard to the effects of her actions on the lives of others, and in Indonesia, you play by their rules...
To be fair though, somewhere along the line a pile of drugs that big is going to be the death scentence for somebody; whether it be a dealer getting shot by a rival gang, a user killing innocents in a botched robbery, or just someone ruining their lives due to hopeless addiction.
I am of the personal opinion that all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, opiates, cocaine, extacy, should be legalised and taxed. But she played a dangerous game with little regard to the effects of her actions on the lives of others, and in Indonesia, you play by their rules...