You have a sick viewpoint.
If you think I'm trolling, so be it, it seems to be the capacity you operate at.
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You have a sick viewpoint.
If you think I'm trolling, so be it, it seems to be the capacity you operate at.
And you'd seek to force your backward beliefs on other people? Thankfully the majority of the country has compassion rather than dogma, and ending a finished life which has nothing but pain left will be a reality.
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You like the idea of killing someone and yet you think I have a sick viewpoint. That just shows how messed up your moral compass it.
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You are prejudiced and bigoted. Why am I not entitled to hold an opinion? I have't brought religion into this, you have.
Bingo, onto the ignore list.
not in all cases, this being one of them. this man has had a good life until the stroke.
if this was my dad, i'd want to remember the good phase of his life, not this phase. utterly heart breaking and soul destroying for him and his family.
So the alternative is to allow - nay, force - suffering instead?
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Not sure how i feel about this. Im completly against suicide or self harm in any mannar.
Is this guy living with aid, aka machines keeping him alive?
If so i would favor turning off the machines.
Is this guy living with aid, aka machines keeping him alive?
If so i would favor turning off the machines.
I think we may have found something to agree on.
The point in this case is he is not asking for it to be endorsed, he is asking for the option against his own life as he cannot end it.
A lot of people kill themselves in the UK every year and one of the reasons suicide became legal is it was an impossible and silly law that prosecuted people who survived. They will do it whatever the rest of us think.
This man has no means to do that except starve himself to death and that is cruel and unusual in my view.
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I don't believe that suffering outweighs the negatives attached to killing someone.
There are plently of people in the world who suffer from depression and want to kill themselves. The samaritans do a great job helping these people. Their suffering, although mental, could be used to justify suicide in the same way. Would you support someone suffering from depression making a conscious choice to take their own life? You might do, I don't. I simply can't condone suicide under any circumstance.
i'm not sure if machines are keeping him alive, i believe he can breathe for himself. but he can't communicate without a machine.
it's the fact that he's obviously still so alert. the link i posted wasn't the interview i saw but in this one too, as soon as his wife mentions the word ''rugby'' (obviously a passion of his) you can see his reaction is one of past memories and enjoyment that he will never reach again. heartbreaking stuff.
He's perfectly free to be religious - it's when he tries to force it on other people that the issue arises.
Forcing someone to remain alive in abject suffering is an act of torture. The only justification for it seems to be that this life is just a warm up for "heaven" and "hell" and people are free to believe that.. but when they try to force it without consent on other people then that's where it crosses the line and becomes evil.
Forcing someone to remain alive in abject suffering is an act of torture. The only justification for it seems to be that this life is just a warm up for "heaven" and "hell" and people are free to believe that.. but when they try to force it without consent on other people then that's where it crosses the line and becomes evil.
I personally believe that quality of life is much more important than quantity of life. If someone is suffering significantly with little or no chance of getting better then the compassionate thing to do would be to do what is possible to end that suffering. Either by supplying them the means to painlessly end their lives or, in extreme cases if they are unable to act themselves, administering it. As he is not on life support the only way he can end his own life is to starve to death. Where is the compassion in that?
I think there is an absolute difference between someone who has no prospect of recovery and will live a long time in a situation they cannot tolerate and someone who has depression.
If this man gets a change in the law it will not remotely touch anyone with depression or anyone who feels periodically suicidal.
The Dutch law on this seems sensible to me as mentioned earlier..it has two critical tests precisely to avoid this sort of slightly off the wall comparison..if you have a non recoverable condition for which there is no treatment and you will die and you want to end it that should be your choice.
You do seem to think its a whim. Read the interview with the guy and you'd see it was not that and its not depression..this guy lives a life he doesn't want to live in a body that imprisons him with a condition that means he can never live properly again. And he wants it to be over. counselling isn't going to help and its non comparable really.
A lot of people think that there is a black and white list on morality.
Such as thinking killing is always morally wrong, this is false. For example, if you had to kill someone to save a billion people, it would be wrong not to do it.
Morality is not black and white, nothing is. It is entirely right that this man should be allowed a peaceful death.
Such as thinking killing is always morally wrong, this is false. For example, if you had to kill someone to save a billion people, it would be wrong not to do it.
Morality is not black and white, nothing is. It is entirely right that this man should be allowed a peaceful death.
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I don't think it is a whim. I really do feel for the guy but I am strongly opposed to suicide no matter what the rationale.
I think it is a sad indictment on our society that within a generation we have moved from suicide being illegal to people campaigning for it as some sort of "right"
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So where would you draw the line?
There is such a thing as a right to dignity, it's not dignified to leave a man suffering.
At a better place than it is now. Where those who are in permanent suffering are allowed a way out.
You aren't really articulating why you are strongly opposed to suicide though. Rationally I see it very difficult to justify forcing someone to live on with a life of suffering if they choose that they do not want to.