Piracy - unbelievable figures.

Reemul said:
No the point is I will teach my kids why it isn't right to pirate and explain to them what will happen to them if they do it, and be very clear as to what is expected of them as they grow up. I have two kids and they understand about cost and saving up and the fact they can't have everything they want and that stealing it isn't the right thing to do even if you can do it and get away with it.

How many of you here would be proud to tell your family, work colleagues, bosses, teachers etc that you pirate and so on. Yeah exactly none, you can be a keyboard warrior any day of the week while hiding behind it but in the real world it's different. Just like how many of you have kids and if you do you are happy them just pirating everything as well.

Another thing with kids is you have to be hard but fair and at times this might seem unfair but is generally for their own good. Like not playing 18 rated games at 10 because it makes life easier or giving them free rain on the internet to pirate and watch porn as much as they like at 13 years old, being a parent is about making hard choices and bringing them up right, maybe you should go ask your parents opinion and see what they think.

And as to the preaching, who's preaching, you must be very young or immature to think that. It was a true reflection of how I feel in a debate about piracy and you should be mature enough to evaluate the points stated rather than revert to weak comments like preaching. Nothing you have posted shows why my opinion is wrong and incorrect and we should all just pirate to our hearts content because we can.

I mean now is your chance convert me to piracy again, you can even preach it to me.
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Its wrong to try a game out via piracy according to you, so by that logic you shouldnt be aloud to enter a house you are thinking about purchasing, you are not aloud to enter the front door until you've given the previous owner the 350,000£ they want, oh and if you don't like it, tough ****.

You can't sell it again either, your stuck with it.

/you
 
Reemul said:
No the point is I will teach my kids why it isn't right to pirate and explain to them what will happen to them if they do it
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Nothing :D ? They they their thing hassle free :).

, and be very clear as to what is expected of them as they grow up. I have two kids and they understand about cost and saving up and the fact they can't have everything they want and that stealing it isn't the right thing to do even if you can do it and get away with it.
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What's stealing got to do with downloads ? You cannot compare physical products with intellectual property.


How many of you here would be proud to tell your family, work colleagues, bosses, teachers etc that you pirate and so on. Yeah exactly none
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What ? Anyone, usually the next thing they will ask is ''can you get film x or y for me, I suck at downloading or always download a virus or bad quality''. They love you to get anything for them... You will be laughed at in the average pub if you still buy everything.

, you can be a keyboard warrior any day of the week while hiding behind it but in the real world it's different. Just like how many of you have kids and if you do you are happy them just pirating everything as well.
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I'll be entirely happy with my kids downloading stuff, just as my parents are happy if I download something they are looking for, for them... Of course I will teach them to use a safe method, using encrypted downloads from news servers :).


Another thing with kids is you have to be hard but fair and at times this might seem unfair but is generally for their own good. Like not playing 18 rated games at 10 because it makes life easier or giving them free rain on the internet to pirate and watch porn as much as they like at 13 years old, being a parent is about making hard choices and bringing them up right, maybe you should go ask your parents opinion and see what they think.
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Absolute bull****.
The age restrictions are made by morons, I have played GTA3, Carmageddon2, etc, at 12 too, so what ? ( Back then I didn't download but buy my games at the black market for a fiver per game...)

And porn, meh just a matter of explaining that it's not real and that he understand what's happening and for all I care my kid can go watch porn. Who hasn't peeked in some nude magazine when he got the chance when being a kid ? I've been brought up pretty lax by my dad about porn... Assuming they won't come in contact with porn at young age is a dream world dude. A kid who is interested in computers will usually out smart you anyhow with these types of things in no time.

And as to the preaching, who's preaching, you must be very young or immature to think that. It was a true reflection of how I feel in a debate about piracy and you should be mature enough to evaluate the points stated rather than revert to weak comments like preaching. Nothing you have posted shows why my opinion is wrong and incorrect and we should all just pirate to our hearts content because we can.

I mean now is your chance convert me to piracy again, you can even preach it to me.
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Or living in the real world, where piracy is accepted by the majority...
 
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Justify it how you want.
 
Omaeka said:
What respawn mechanic? The ones where enemies spawn from time to time when your traveling on the roads, or the fact when you scout somewhere and unlock it on your map, kill everybody and take everything, come back later and its manned again?

Neither one bothered me, if they weren't in the game you'd have very little to shoot at.
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You honestly didn't notice the respawns? We must have been playing different games.

If you clear a checkpoint, drive around the corner and come back literally 1 minute later all the guards will have respawned. Jeeps would randomly spawn out of thin air in front of you/in the bushes next to the road and just cause pure rage at the 50th time it happens because they weren't remotely difficult you just had to get out and repair your vehicle again.

The AI was also awful, if they spotted you once there was basically no chance of hiding again as they'd just shoot you straight through the wall after you discretely moved positions.

It was a bad bad game and I think the user reviews on http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/far-cry-2 reflect the true quality of the game. You are the only person i've encountered that actually liked it.
 
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Starforce was cracked eventually. But by the time it was not many scene release groups cared to go back and sort out older games. They were more concerned with current ones.
 
King kong was, Darkstar One was... Cossacks 2 don't know, starforce even the new starforce has been cracked. As the developers of The Witcher said, pirates love a challenge the harder the protection is the more likelyhood of them wanting to crack it increases.


The witcher 2 the protected version was torrented not the gog version :p
 
I do pirate a few games, mainly because I'm not sure how good they really are. I think 90% of the games I pirate, I don't get past the 3rd/4th level.

Once I downloaded MoH, and I didn't even extract it, because I decided I don't feel like playing it anymore :D
 
Only games in recent memory I didn't pirate before purchase are:

Diablo III
Max Payne 3
CoD MW3
BF3

(lol at all the 3s)

Diablo III - I only got that after getting a "guest pass" (demo) and decided I liked it
MW3 and BF3 I knew I would want to play the online side of
and Max Payne 3 because all the reviews ranted and raved about it + I loved the previous two

of all those, only really regretting max payne 3 because I'm really not getting in to it - just isn't as much fun as the first two :( Maybe I'll take some more time to get in to it later on.

Games I'm very glad I downloaded:
Medal of Honour - terrible game, would have regretted the purchase
Far Cry 2
Crysis 2 (although subsequently bought when on offer)
Driver San Fran
Duke Nukem Forever
Fear 3
Hard Reset
Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City

I'm sure there are more... but you get the idea. These are such terrible games IMO - they're not worth paying for & a demo would have given me the information I needed to decide whether to purchase or not.



One bad thing... I suppose... is that I have no idea anymore if the above even have demos - I lost the desire to even check when piracy is so easy - especially on a 120mbit connection...
 
I am finding more worth in the indie titles these days than in the full blown AAA titles (ME3 I am looking at you)

At least in the indie market they are actually trying different things and gameplay types, rather than always rehashing a chosen genre and sticking copious amounts of bloom and HDR lighting to make a bad game look good.

Last game I pirated I still have not got around to trying before buying, Syndicate, as the trailers for it looked to be a decent game but will have to see, If it's worthy Ill be getting it, if not theres always delete.

Last bunch of AAA games i bought are the same as Crinckleshoes's list :)

Diablo III - very good but as I never played the previous Diablo games I kind of find this one to be a victim of overhype, good but not that good.
Max Payne 3 - Really enjoying this so far. Been far too long since Max graced the pc.
CoD MW3 - terrible terrible terrible, Though in it's defence it was a gift so technically i never bought it but ye gods its bad.
BF3 - love it but hate the inconsistencies with the weapons. sometimes they die with a bullet or two and other times its like a full clip, + pistol to get the kill grrr
 
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Can I say one thing?

If I buy a PS3 game, that does not use the online code, and I lend it to my friend to complete the story, is that illegal too :confused: Is that not piracy basically is? They buy a game and pretty much give you a copy.

Not saying Piracy is good always. I do have over 100 games in steam, and BF3 and Crysis 2 on Origin, so its not like I don't buy any games.
 
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Can I say one thing?

If I buy a PS3 game, that does not use the online code, and I lend it to my friend to complete the story, is that illegal too :confused: Is that not piracy basically is? They buy a game and pretty much give you a copy.

Not saying Piracy is good always. I do have over 100 games in steam, and BF3 and Crysis 2 on Origin, so its not like I don't buy any games.
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I personally wouldn't classify lending or borrowing as piracy. I've had friends buy games on numerous occasions as a result of borrowing a game of mine, and since I'm not making money from it, nor are they keeping a copy of it (at least in the cases in which they gave it back...), I don't see why it would be counted as pirating :p
 
Piracy = criminality, prison sentence awaits those who peddle…;)


Lending original games to other people is not piracy, provided its for their own use..:)
 
well how about the fact that huge companies feel the need to block sharing and trying out of their games because they don't want to lose sales from people who were -expecting- or -anticipating- a good title?

frankly i feel like pirating games to get honest ideas of gameplay (not fake reviews or inaccurate "gameplay" vids from developers) before paying money (which i do, because i'm not a thief) contributes to a better ideal for the gaming industry. i vote with my money, tell them to stop making **** games and pretending that they're good, and selling them to unsuspecting people. instead i pay for good games (any game that i actually play) and give an honest idea of what sells. if i didn't pirate, i would actually probably buy a whole hell lot less games. i'd read so many reviews and be so careful in my purchases that i'd hardly buy any titles at all. how can it be an excuse? i DO pay for games, i just DON'T pay for games i don't play. my conscience handles it pretty well ^^. and i'm fairly sure game developers and their wallets do too.

it's got absolutely nothing to do with money management or me not having enough money to buy games. i could afford each and every game i pirate if i wanted to. but i don't want to out of principle. i don't want to propagate ****** games, i don't want to reward companies simply recycling or poorly porting games, and i definitely don't want to pay for nothing. it's worrying that people think it's absolutely correct that sham reviews/advertising campaigns can and apparently should lead people into buying things they didn't want to buy in retrospect. why not get what you deserve, and not what you're told to deserve by those seeking to make money off you in any way possible, be that lies, or subliminal messaging, or whatever else?

perhaps if the gaming industry wasn't so much consumer vs corporation, it wouldn't be suffering so much. maybe it's why indie games are booming - the devs act nice, sell by word of mouth, actually make interesting or artistic games, and "combat" piracy by doing things like lowering the price of the game to one they think is more fair (instead of spending half the game's budget introducing anti-piracy measures that not only don't work, but also annoy legitimate customers.).

p.s i'm not actually much of a gamer, but i do the same with films (buying after watching) and the few games i have i've acted in the same way. again despite me apparently "stealing" money from the film industry, my physical film collection is huge. so... *shrug*
 
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PorkPieCat said:
well how about the fact that huge companies feel the need to block sharing and trying out of their games because they don't want to lose sales from people who were -expecting- or -anticipating- a good title?

frankly i feel like pirating games to get honest ideas of gameplay (not fake reviews or inaccurate "gameplay" vids from developers) before paying money (which i do, because i'm not a thief) contributes to a better ideal for the gaming industry. i vote with my money, tell them to stop making **** games and pretending that they're good, and selling them to unsuspecting people. instead i pay for good games (any game that i actually play) and give an honest idea of what sells. if i didn't pirate, i would actually probably buy a whole hell lot less games. i'd read so many reviews and be so careful in my purchases that i'd hardly buy any titles at all. how can it be an excuse? i DO pay for games, i just DON'T pay for games i don't play. my conscience handles it pretty well ^^. and i'm fairly sure game developers and their wallets do too.

it's got absolutely nothing to do with money management or me not having enough money to buy games. i could afford each and every game i pirate if i wanted to. but i don't want to out of principle. i don't want to propagate ****** games, i don't want to reward companies simply recycling or poorly porting games, and i definitely don't want to pay for nothing. it's worrying that people think it's absolutely correct that sham reviews/advertising campaigns can and apparently should lead people into buying things they didn't want to buy in retrospect. why not get what you deserve, and not what you're told to deserve by those seeking to make money off you in any way possible, be that lies, or subliminal messaging, or whatever else?

perhaps if the gaming industry wasn't so much consumer vs corporation, it wouldn't be suffering so much. maybe it's why indie games are booming - the devs act nice, sell by word of mouth, actually make interesting or artistic games, and "combat" piracy by doing things like lowering the price of the game to one they think is more fair (instead of spending half the game's budget introducing anti-piracy measures that not only don't work, but also annoy legitimate customers.).

p.s i'm not actually much of a gamer, but i do the same with films (buying after watching) and the few games i have i've acted in the same way. again despite me apparently "stealing" money from the film industry, my physical film collection is huge. so... *shrug*
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Firstly I want to hand you this 4,000kg cookie the size of mars for this ****ing awesome post, you are totally right here.

Secondly, I usually don't do this, as I take peoples opinions for what they are and am usually very respectful, but to all you who go against the status quo of this topic, to hell with you. Cover with gasoline and throw you in a furnace. :)

The comment about the industry becoming consumer vs. company is so true! It is literally a war where the consumer tries to keep their gaming side alive, by dodging **** video games that the companies spam out, and saving the companies from friendly fire who don't. Thankfully the several-year long stalemate has been slightly tipped in our favor with the reinforcements from Indie developers & efforts to make piracy possible by the warriors known as Skidrow, Razor1991, Ignition, Blackbox, iMarZ and many more. To think they do all their amazing work for free, they WANT us to try before we buy, all of their motto's are this; 'If you enjoy the game, pay the company!'.

People need to realize, piracy is the only thing keeping the market afloat, so you can take the moral high ground all you want, you can claim your so morally superior because you don't 'steal' until your eyeballs fall out of your ear sockets, but it still doesn't change the fact you are wrong.
 
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