No, I've said I don't agree with it in any circumstances. The point was that there's a clear distinction between using it for for crimes such as theft, and using it for war crimes.
As there is a clear distinction between comparing Scandinavian and UAE responses to criminal behaviour.
It remained a technical possibility, but it wasn't used for 'normal crimes'. It stayed that way not because they wanted to use/retain the death, but because it was just a quirk of not changing the law itself.
It stayed that way becasue they needed it to restore order and remove those who would seek to disrupt that...
No, that's not the case. I can point out the distinction between states using the death penalty for war crimes and states using the death penalty for drugs offences, whilst being staunchly opposed to both. The point being that people say the death penalty is needed to combat serious drugs offences... when that's factually incorrect, and the fact that they used the death penalty for war crimes, and crimes of that ilk, wasn't them using the death penalty to combat 'normal' crimes. You were saying the death penalty helped transition, and was used against the war crimes, but also general criminality... when it was used against the former, but not the latter. 'Normal' punishments helped combat the 'normal' crimes.
However, it was using the death penalty to help restore order and hasten the restoration of civilian authority....which is precisely what I was stating......
Also what we define as normal crimes may not be the same as what someone else defines as normal crimes...it depend entirely on the situation on the ground.....and the situation in Bosnia illustrates that.
For example, under normal circumstances rape is not considered a punishable by death crime....therefore a normal crime....but under the situation in Bosnia at the time Rape was considered a crime against humanity and as such was potentially punishable by death.
The situation defined the crime and the punishment.
Other examples would be murder, looting, kidnap and other crimes that may or may not have been specifically done becasue of ideology but were treated that way just the same.
And it does work as an example of how other states could make a transition, without using the death penalty for all sorts of crimes. The fact that it worked well in Sarajevo, where there was more of a rule of law, whilst areas further out where that wasn't the case shows that - the way that when they did impose the rules, they worked, and they didn't need to impose the death penalty on all sorts to combat crime. That doesn't mean that the method they used doesn't work... that just means it works when it's enforced.
No, it really doesn't. Because they specifically used the death penalty to punish those that the responsible for the disorder and lawlessness in the State itself....the transition from a semi-lawless state to what they have now was facilitated specifically by the use of death penalty in crimes against humanity, war crimes, ethnic crimes and crimes against the person as they related to the ethnic issues in the transitional period after the war.
The facts are so clear I find it quite astounding that you can ignore that the transitional period in Bosnia was almost entirely related to the war and removing the faction leaders and atrocities enacted by individuals as well as groups.
You also seem to be totally ignoring the issue with Organised Crime in Sarajevo and beyond...which is so intertwined into the enforcement of the law and the authorities that most serious crimes goes un-investigated, ignored or unpunished. It may have improved in relation to the War, but it is still a pretty lawless place underneath the façade for the visitor.
I really think you need to go away and look at the real situation in Bosnia regarding their actual crime problems, specifically with regard to organised crime and the Bosnian Mafia.....the country is more akin to other Balkan States than it is Sweden and it certainly did not restore order after the War by using liberal policing techniques.
It should be pointed out as well that Bosnia was a developed modern country despite the war and unlike Somalia had infrastructure and modern practices to draw upon, not tom mention huge investment and support from the rest of Europe in their struggle to restore order and stability, something that is according to many Bosnians still a long way off.
They arguably do not require the death penalty today, but that was not the case during the transitional period (it is arguable that they are still in transition) when the priority was bringing stability to the country and stopping the ethnic criminality against the person, which was almost exclusively treated as a war crime regardless.
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