British Man, 21, Faces Death in UAE

No, I've said I don't agree with it in any circumstances. The point was that there's a clear distinction between using it for for crimes such as theft, and using it for war crimes.

As there is a clear distinction between comparing Scandinavian and UAE responses to criminal behaviour.

It remained a technical possibility, but it wasn't used for 'normal crimes'. It stayed that way not because they wanted to use/retain the death, but because it was just a quirk of not changing the law itself.

It stayed that way becasue they needed it to restore order and remove those who would seek to disrupt that...

No, that's not the case. I can point out the distinction between states using the death penalty for war crimes and states using the death penalty for drugs offences, whilst being staunchly opposed to both. The point being that people say the death penalty is needed to combat serious drugs offences... when that's factually incorrect, and the fact that they used the death penalty for war crimes, and crimes of that ilk, wasn't them using the death penalty to combat 'normal' crimes. You were saying the death penalty helped transition, and was used against the war crimes, but also general criminality... when it was used against the former, but not the latter. 'Normal' punishments helped combat the 'normal' crimes.

However, it was using the death penalty to help restore order and hasten the restoration of civilian authority....which is precisely what I was stating......

Also what we define as normal crimes may not be the same as what someone else defines as normal crimes...it depend entirely on the situation on the ground.....and the situation in Bosnia illustrates that.

For example, under normal circumstances rape is not considered a punishable by death crime....therefore a normal crime....but under the situation in Bosnia at the time Rape was considered a crime against humanity and as such was potentially punishable by death.

The situation defined the crime and the punishment.

Other examples would be murder, looting, kidnap and other crimes that may or may not have been specifically done becasue of ideology but were treated that way just the same.


And it does work as an example of how other states could make a transition, without using the death penalty for all sorts of crimes. The fact that it worked well in Sarajevo, where there was more of a rule of law, whilst areas further out where that wasn't the case shows that - the way that when they did impose the rules, they worked, and they didn't need to impose the death penalty on all sorts to combat crime. That doesn't mean that the method they used doesn't work... that just means it works when it's enforced.

No, it really doesn't. Because they specifically used the death penalty to punish those that the responsible for the disorder and lawlessness in the State itself....the transition from a semi-lawless state to what they have now was facilitated specifically by the use of death penalty in crimes against humanity, war crimes, ethnic crimes and crimes against the person as they related to the ethnic issues in the transitional period after the war.

The facts are so clear I find it quite astounding that you can ignore that the transitional period in Bosnia was almost entirely related to the war and removing the faction leaders and atrocities enacted by individuals as well as groups.

You also seem to be totally ignoring the issue with Organised Crime in Sarajevo and beyond...which is so intertwined into the enforcement of the law and the authorities that most serious crimes goes un-investigated, ignored or unpunished. It may have improved in relation to the War, but it is still a pretty lawless place underneath the façade for the visitor.

I really think you need to go away and look at the real situation in Bosnia regarding their actual crime problems, specifically with regard to organised crime and the Bosnian Mafia.....the country is more akin to other Balkan States than it is Sweden and it certainly did not restore order after the War by using liberal policing techniques.

It should be pointed out as well that Bosnia was a developed modern country despite the war and unlike Somalia had infrastructure and modern practices to draw upon, not tom mention huge investment and support from the rest of Europe in their struggle to restore order and stability, something that is according to many Bosnians still a long way off.

They arguably do not require the death penalty today, but that was not the case during the transitional period (it is arguable that they are still in transition) when the priority was bringing stability to the country and stopping the ethnic criminality against the person, which was almost exclusively treated as a war crime regardless.
 
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I'd wager they're just looking to make an example of him briefly in order to discourage other ex-pats.... perhaps all the Eton lot & assorted other British public school boys have been getting more rowdy/more overt recently and the authorities want to send them a signal to tone it down a bit.

Just like everyone knows that most big western compounds in Saudi will have alcohol (despite it being illegal) - drugs/prostitutes etc.. are rife amongst some groups of ex pats in the UAE - making an example of this kid might simply be a way of getting the rest to be more careful/discrete in future.
 
How do they do the death penalty over there?

Cut the head off?

All executions in the UAE are at the hands of an 8 man firing squad.

In other news, as mentioned already:-

Ramadan starts on 19th July, give or take a day or 2 in either direction depending on how cloudy it is.

Its fairly standard practice to pardon a fairly substantial number of convicted criminals at the beginning of Ramadan.

A high profile case like this is almost too perfect an opportunity for Sheihk Khalifa (bin Zayed Al Nahyan), the ruler / king / whatever bloke to make a very public statement about the country's stance on drugs and then a couple of weeks later demonstrate his humane, merciful side as he commutes the guy's sentance from life to at most 4 years followed by deportation.

This year alone i have read in the papers here about Africans, Arabs and Asians being caught smuggling hundreds of kilo's of heroin, cocaine, crystal meth and more into and through Dubai. To the best of my knowledge none of these people have been executed, only imprisoned with deportation to look forward to, albeit in a very distant future.

Fact- He was / is very stupid.
Fact -He got caught and only has himself to blame, more so if he was unaware of the consequences.

More than likely - He is being made an example out of and will see a greatly reduced punishment before August.
 
If he somehow scrapes through this and winds up back in the UK, then I'd suggest this moron have his passport torn up and banned from having another since he's comprehensively proven he's too stupid to be trusted with one.

I mean honestly, possessing drugs, no matter how small the amount is the height of idiocy in a country as draconian as the UAE, tantamount to dangling your nuts in a Lion's mouth and flicking him with a wet towel. :rolleyes:
 
According to figures published by Amnesty International, at the end of 2011 the UAE had executed 1 of the approx 31 people on death row in the country, and it was the first execution since 2008.

Iran on the other hand executed 360+ people in 2011, and Saudi Arabia 82 or more, with Iraq close behind on 68 and Yemen on 41. In 2011 alone....

Incidentally such harsh punishment seems to have little effect as a deterrent to people who spend their days thinking "it will never happen to me". In the last 2 months i have spent close to 6 weeks in Saudi Arabia and regularly witnessed people across the spectrum of society indulging....
 
Rules may seem harsh to us, but its their country, their laws got nothing to do with us.

Either way, good riddance... a dealer is a dealer
 
There are really people who condone the death penalty for this without even knowing the full story? Good God GD.....
 

lolpshychiatry. That is all.

By the results of these studies, cannabis is vastly less harmful than aspartame, but you dont see anyone complaining about that just because the government says its ok.

And compared to tobacco and alcohol related problems, cannabis doesnt even compare to how much worse 'legal' drugs are.

He asked about there being any evidence of harm. The above clearly demonstrates there's at least some.

No it doesnt, not at all:

Is cannabis addictive?

It has some of features of addictive drugs – a regular user has to take more and more to get the same effect (tolerance) and can get withdrawal symptoms.

3 out of 4 long-term users get cravings, half become irritable and 7 out of 10 switch to tobacco to try to stay off cannabis. Many find that they spend much of their life seeking, buying and using it. It is probably about as hard to stop as tobacco.

Complete BS, to even suggest that cannabis is 'as addictive as tobacco' is just ridiculous. Absolutely 0 evidence to even suggest this from any area of Chemistry, Medicine or Pharmacy.
 
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Respect the laws of a country where you are a visitor.

What utter tosh :rolleyes:

So by your logic anyone who say has to visit Iran for business/family or whatever should then respect the fact that if they happen to be homosexual then they could possibly get hung in the street :rolleyes:

Or if you were to visit Peru you would suddenly feel it's fine to start banging 12 year old girls :confused:

Just because some countries have stupid laws (executing someone for a bit of weed being high up there on the list) it shouldn't effect your moral compass or your opinions on it.
However only a fool would test their veracity of these laws, this doesn't though make it any less immoral or disgusting, it actually makes it worse as they tend normally to not be very bright and lets be honest what intelligent or right of mind person is going to gamble with their life for the sake of a few hundred pounds profit!!
 
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So by your logic anyone who say has to visit Iran for business/family or whatever should then respect the fact that if they happen to be homosexual then they could possibly get hung in the street :rolleyes:

Correct. Does not matter how ridiculous the laws might be, they exist and can be enforced. One does not have to agree with them but if you visit a country you respect the laws irrespective of their nature.
 
Funny how we have to respect other countries laws - which is fair enough,

but foreigners come over here and we have to respect their values, traditions and religions to the point they have more free speech than us actual English do.
 
respect there laws? people come over here and totally take the p*** out of our country. How many people sell drugs here from other countries?
it is a backwards country, they all are. Hence, why, I'd never go there.
Its a bit of smoke, the guy hasnt murdered anyone.
 
many of us dont hide it ;)

we arent ashamed to smoke a plant and we wont do you any harm by smoking it. why cant people let bygones be bygones and just 'be good to each other'. isnt that what life should be about?

That's all well and good -but will you vouch for the dealers as well?
 
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