Slimming Jab, am i the only person who hopes this DOESNT work?

[TruffleShuffle]

I think you just have a really strange and twisted bigoted view of the world sir, what ever demons are eating you up inside you should get rid of them and just get on with your life.

If it worked it would be as common a supplement as multivitamins guaranteeing the entire world obesity free. The health implications are huge on national scales. See the bigger picture.

See the bigger picture? If i may be allowed to get very hypothetical here, how about a world in which, becuase of this development, people can eat wheatever they want as much as they want, without consequence.

As such global food demand skyrockets. As per usual, third world nations are struggling to feed themselves whilst first world countries are throwing food down their necks without regard.

As a side note. I am interested in how you see the difference between someone eating a meal and then sticking their fingers down their throat and vomiting it back up, and someone eating a meal and then injecting themselves with a wonder drug to stop them putting on weight?

 

[sketchytom]

Like contraception, right?

pretty **** argument you have there

how is being a fat ******* the same as bringing a life into the world

without contraception there would be thousands more kids that are unwanted with parents that are not ready mentally/financially

its bad enough when you get benefit busters say 'i dont belive in contraception'

if i had my way the waters would be contaminated with high doses of contraception to stop people breeding like rabbits.

i do think that fatties should have to prove there committed to loosing weight before any help from the government or even better save the do-nut money up to buy this fatty loss jab

 

[The Halk]

Crayoned gibberings

You can't spell, you can't use punctuation. You have nothing to say.

 

[Colbaker]

Quite surprised by how quickly people have managed to completely skew my viewpoint.

I'll ignore the car crash and disabled comments, they're just plan ridiculous.

I'll address the sex one though. The example would only be the same if you have 10 children, then expected the state to care of them whilst you went on your merry way disowning them. (and continuing to have children).

To use the condom analogy. Condoms are not 100% effective, are you saying that if you wore one and still got someone pregnant, becuase you wore the condom you are now free from all responsibility? You were only having sex for the pleasure, and now you don't want to take responsilibilty for your actions?

Obesity is not an illness (again in the majority of cases), it is a simple matter of personal responsibility. I am not wishing that a cure for cancer not work, i am simply pointing out that this 'jab' is another "get out clause" for people who do not wish to take responsibility for their actions.

You are assuming obesity is not an illness?

Also if someone were to offer you an injection in which you can suddenly double your IQ ( just a for instance and not a dig) would you not take it? Or would you rather spend a couple of years using your will power studying?

Would you not take an injection with no side effects to guarantee that you will triple your muscle growth every time you work out?

Also if there were an injection for smokers that instantly helps them give up, do you thing they should not take it and use there will power to give up?

Obese people may be obese due to their own actions but never intentionally, you find me one obese person who likes/wants to be obese.

 

[The Halk]

See the bigger picture? If i may be allowed to get very hypothetical here, how about a world in which, becuase of this development, people can eat wheatever they want as much as they want, without consequence.

That would be fantastic.

As such global food demand skyrockets. As per usual, third world nations are struggling to feed themselves whilst first world countries are throwing food down their necks without regard.

It's not correct to say that the food we eat we're taking from the tables of the third world.

As a side note. I am interested in how you see the difference between someone eating a meal and then sticking their fingers down their throat and vomiting it back up, and someone eating a meal and then injecting themselves with a wonder drug to stop them putting on weight?

The problem with bulimia isn't that people can eat and not suffer the consequences of it. The problem is that they're not getting enough nutrition, and it's an extreme step by people who have mental issues and need help.

 

[elmarko]

You are assuming obesity is not an illness?

Also if someone were to offer you an injection in which you can suddenly double your IQ ( just a for instance and not a dig) would you not take it? Or would you rather spend a couple of years using your will power studying?

Would you not take an injection with no side effects to guarantee that you will triple your muscle growth every time you work out?

Also if there were an injection for smokers that instantly helps them give up, do you thing they should not take it and use there will power to give up?

Obese people may be obese due to their own actions but never intentionally, you find me one obese person who likes/wants to be obese.

This.

I do agree with one concern.

Food consumption would need to be discouraged from getting out of hand & rules & regulations would need to be put in to ensure they are not lacing foods with sugar/fat to make them addictive (which currently they would avoid as it would make the food have stupid amounts of calories in).

Excessive global meat consumption would have disastrous ecological consequences.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Wow.. There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. Eating disorders work both ways, people. Do we tell those with anorexia to "just eat more" ?

Anywho...

The article clearly states that the "vaccine" prohibits the production of the hormone(s) responsible for a slow metabolism. That is to say it is only applicable to those with a problematic metabolism. I.e. they have a medical condition.

I doubt this would be useful for the 95% of the population that don't have such a condition.

 

[RDM]

Considering how many lives and how much money could be saved if it does work then I am surprised that someone doesn't want it to work.

 

[Morba]

You can't spell, you can't use punctuation. You have nothing to say.

Nice way to dismiss valid points. Your argument is petty and the condom analogy is stupid tbh.

 

[Delvis]

It should be done on medical grounds only mind. ie if you have tried all other options.

Brb, eating a load of food then taking a jab to get rid of it again

 

[TruffleShuffle]

You are assuming obesity is not an illness?

Also if someone were to offer you an injection in which you can suddenly double your IQ ( just a for instance and not a dig) would you not take it? Or would you rather spend a couple of years using your will power studying?

Would you not take an injection with no side effects to guarantee that you will triple your muscle growth every time you work out?

Also if there were an injection for smokers that instantly helps them give up, do you thing they should not take it and use there will power to give up?

Obese people may be obese due to their own actions but never intentionally, you find me one obese person who likes/wants to be obese.

You raise interesting points here. You are correct, if these other options existed, i'm sure a lot of people would take them, including myself. Just look at caffeine or alcohol. Here are 2 drugs which can temporarily have a massive effect on your body/brain, and despite rather large side-effects, the vast majority of people,including myself will take some on a daily or weekly basis.

However, I DO feel that those people who have struggled, and managed to increase their IQ/muscle or stopped smoking, will come out the other side a better person for it, and will be more likely to continue improving over the long-term and even more likely to help others to achieve the same results.

Meanwhile the person who has taken the injections will most likely fall back into old habits, lose their gains they have made (and/or start smoking again). and will find themselves back where they started, or worse, after 12/24 months.

 

[Morba]

Would you not take an injection with no side effects to guarantee that you will triple your muscle growth every time you work out?

No. And that is coming from someone who would happily have a lot more lean mass.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

You can't spell, you can't use punctuation. You have nothing to say.

Wow, you're really taking this personally. As with most medical debates that promise quick fixes to age old problems, the case for or against the medication isn't simply black or white. Stop trying to make it so and join the discussion like a reasonable person.

I think the drug is an amazing development and could solve a lot of problems. However, things like this don't often come without side affects and their use shouldn't be abused.

In any case, I'd always be more proud of a "natural" body and would strive to achieve that at every effort. I'm by no means fat but on the same token I'm not an Adonis. If I wanted the perfect body, I'd strive to achieve that off my own back, not through some super-drug. There are more benefits to be gained from exercise than a slim body - many of which are mental and would keep a person in good shape long after loosing weight.

If I was fat as a result of an illness and other attempts to decrease my weight had failed, I'd be all over this drug and I'd expect the NHS to pay for it.

 

[The Halk]

Nice way to dismiss valid points. Your argument is petty and the condom analogy is stupid tbh.

I didn't read his posts. If he won't take the trouble to format his post with any care at all, then I won't take the trouble to read it.

I don't think my argument is petty, and the condom analogy is dead on. Penn and Teller convinced me about obesity in one of their mythbusting TV shows (I can't name it as it's sweary) and they quite rightly pointed out that if we have a prophylactic for obesity then we can enjoy food in the same way that we now enjoy sex. I really do not see the distinction. We do all sorts of things to mitigate risk in activities done purely for pleasure - why can't eating be one?

 

[bum]

I thought increased metabolism rate will make you die sooner.

 

[The Halk]

I thought increased metabolism rate will make you die sooner.

Only at a species level, not at an individual level.

 

[Efour]

See the bigger picture? If i may be allowed to get very hypothetical here, how about a world in which, becuase of this development, people can eat wheatever they want as much as they want, without consequence.

As such global food demand skyrockets. As per usual, third world nations are struggling to feed themselves whilst first world countries are throwing food down their necks without regard.

As a side note. I am interested in how you see the difference between someone eating a meal and then sticking their fingers down their throat and vomiting it back up, and someone eating a meal and then injecting themselves with a wonder drug to stop them putting on weight?

Well first point is pretty much what we do anyway to some extent, i certainly don't think about kids starving in 3rd world countries when i cook my roast beef dinner.

I don't think the 2 are necessarily related just because you will never get fat doesn't then mean you are going to eat 6 meals a day to prove the point.... Again exceptions to the rule but to assume the 2 is pushing it.

Second point hmm... Well the first one is a mental disorder and injecting oneself would be a prescribed preventative action. I'm not exactly sure about the psychological reasons that bulimic people do what they do, something to do with perceived body image. I would imagine they would carry on puking regardless of the availability of this drug, food is just the medium they choose to exhibit their mental illness.

Again im not sure that the 2 are comparable,in the way you seem to link them. Its not about cheating the system or willpower. I see it as correcting issues through medical means.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

I didn't read his posts. If he won't take the trouble to format his post with any care at all, then I won't take the trouble to read it.

Nice attitude you have there.

 

[elmarko]

Tbh,

It sounds like it would only work on people with slow metabolisms - so anybody who it worked on would be an ideal candidate, it's unreasonable to expect a certain portion of the population to live on a diet (due to having a slower metabolism than the rest of the population).

I do feel the elephant in the room is being ignored, that we should have laws which ensure food companies make food which is fit for human consumption, without filling everything with saturated fats, sugar & salt.

No single shop purchased meal should multiple times your RDA of salt, it's irresponsible.

 

[The Halk]

Nice attitude you have there.

I wish everybody had it. These forums are very well read, and if someone is too lazy to put a suitable amount of effort into a post then they should be criticised for it.