It does when I have to pay my full tax amount - and I'm sure that's the case for the majority on here.
I have no kids ergo I am less of a burden on the state than someone with kids. Can I has my taxes back now plz?
Families need £36,800 to live acceptably.....
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It does when I have to pay my full tax amount - and I'm sure that's the case for the majority on here.
I have no kids ergo I am less of a burden on the state than someone with kids. Can I has my taxes back now plz?
I know. I personally don't see any difference between tax reductions and increases in benefits.
I just know others do.
I don't disagree with having child benefits and working tax credits though.
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You are not the species though, are you? Because I'm referring to the human race.
Also just because you (currently) are not experiencing the instinct to reproduce doesn't mean you won't. You're only 26 for the love of all things!
Yet you will become a burden on the Taxpayer in later life, pensions, increased NHS treatment, Bus passes, public services and so on, you were a burden on the taxpayer before you were in work, education, health, child benefit, public services and so on.......all paid for by the taxes that I and my children have/will be paying to support you. Given your relatively low pay, it is arguable whether you are a net taxpayer anyway when you take into consideration the proportional cost of total Government and State expenditure that is directly attributable to you in your lifetime against what your total tax contribution will be.
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You give no details, did you parents buy their home 15+ years ago. If so then this is why you live fine on 30k. If they rent a (3/4 bedroom?) home, then what does that cost them, because that with council tax would be well over 20k a year in my area alone privately, or are they in a council house with controlled low rents?
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If you could feel how I feel about having kids, and were as scared of it as I am you'd think the same way I do - that it is unlikely I'll ever move to feeling like having kids or thinking it's a good idea.
As for being only 26... I should have started feeling this desire about ten years ago if apparent modern standards are anything to go by.
As stated before, it's pretty much what's going to kill my relationship with the other half, it's only a matter of time. It feels unfair staying with her, but I have made my feelings quite clear and she claims to be happy to wait for me to come round.
We'll see.
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Waits for the typical OcUK GD break up thread...
No, don't worry, I'm not human and I'm emotionally devoid.
Unfortunately that happens, and it's called outsourcing. So although some of the workers in the UK have more disposable income, there are more people unemployed, and so the net effect is worse
Dude don't worry, most working professionals don't have kids till they're about 30.
Also not everyone wants kids, you shouldn't be pressurised into it.
Different cultures and classes have a different concept of the right age/time to have kids.
Who suggested taking 10k off the top 1%?, I'm far more concerned with the top 0.001%/0.01% of earners.
What you have done is run off with a random figure you conceived which had nothing to do with what I was suggesting.
Not to mention those who earned a majority of income via CGT & are not included in the basic income distribution statistics.
It is a shame though that you have people that do their A levels, go to university to obtain a degree, spend 3-4 years, they've got a considerable amount of debt when they come out. Have to get a job and establish themselves before even finding a partner.
Unless you find someone at uni, it will all take a long time.
On the other hand you have people that leave school when they are 16 (sometimes younger) have kids and by the time you finish Uni their kids would be in primary school. All of this whilst they are living on benefits.
Unless you find someone at uni, it will all take a long time.
On the other hand you have people that leave school when they are 16 (sometimes younger) have kids and by the time you finish Uni their kids would be in primary school. All of this whilst they are living on benefits.
That was just an example. Give me some real maths on how your socialist utopia will work out then?
Otherwise it's just the usual pathetic politics of envy
Not always true, some businesses (like mine) pay well above the minimum wage for the basic staff, all of our call center operators earn at least £17K PA, it was a business decision to increase the pay to decrease staff turnover (to keep experience within the company) - the end result is the higher customer service rating within the industry.Unfortunately that happens, and it's called outsourcing. So although some of the workers in the UK have more disposable income, there are more people unemployed, and so the net effect is worse
Offshoring should be also be strongly discouraged by the government, as it simply leads to a race to the bottom (even the Indian call centers are being closed to make for cheaper ones in south-east Asia)
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You preach very poorly. You will be a burden on the state. It doesn't take a choice of not having kids to become dependant on the state.
You will eventually want to thank all those "peasants" whom have had child. As it will be them who are keeping you alive when you are retired, paying taxes when they work, so you can go to the chemist and get your free Ramapril to keep your heart healthy...
How do people struggle on 30k?
I've worked out if I was earning £283 a week, I could live off 200 quid a week including rent and bills on top quite comfortably, quite if I would loose 83 quid a week to tax/ni I don't know.
I've worked out if I was earning £283 a week, I could live off 200 quid a week including rent and bills on top quite comfortably, quite if I would loose 83 quid a week to tax/ni I don't know.
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£200 isn't easy to live on by any means, trust me. unless you happen to live somewhere where water, electric, rent, council tax....is cheap, and don't want a phone line etc. and of course, eat.
I don't dispute that but why should I pay more tax than someone who has wilfully become more of a burden by having kids? That's the point I was getting at.