Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Two

shipinabottle said:
So won't play ball in other words. They own the cinematic rights, but they could if they wanted to, come to a deal with Marvel/Disney to crossover. Only harm here would be having to then take into account continuity when creating their own films.

I seriously just consider it a case of them being greedy. Spiderman appearing in an Avengers film would have no bearing on their own films performances really, if anything it might boost them as more people feel the need to be seeing anything tied into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

For instance Ant-Man will be a lower budget flick I reckon, yet it'll pull in some serious numbers purely for being interlinked with this universe.
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Why should Marvel buy back the rights to the film when they can get them back, for nothing, when the rights lapse?

EDIT: Like what happened with Hulk after Ang Lee's film, or what's just happened with The Punisher.
 
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The Cosmic stuff is my favourite when it comes to Marvel (<3 Thanos), but conversely it's the hardest to translate to film because it's epically OTT. Look at what happened to poor Green Lantern (I know it was DC, but still), and Rise of the Silver Surfer was an abomination.
 
Woody__ said:
Why should Marvel buy back the rights to the film when they can get them back, for nothing, when the rights lapse?

EDIT: Like what happened with Hulk after Ang Lee's film, or what's just happened with The Punisher.
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It's part of the deal that while Sony are making Spider-Man films, the rights won't default back to Marvel. Hence why there's a Spider-Man reboot so soon after the last three.

Unlike Ang Lee's Hulk, or The Punisher, Sony's Spider-Man films keep generating billions for them. As long as they keep doing so they'll keep making them, and the rights won't revert back.

Either Marvel gotta hope that Sony dilute the brand so much that audiences no longer care (This is not good for Marvel), or Marvel has to bite the bullet and purchase them back.
 
Xenoxide said:
It's part of the deal that while Sony are making Spider-Man films, the rights won't default back to Marvel. Hence why there's a Spider-Man reboot so soon after the last three.

Unlike Ang Lee's Hulk, or The Punisher, Sony's Spider-Man films keep generating billions for them. As long as they keep doing so they'll keep making them, and the rights won't revert back.

Either Marvel gotta hope that Sony dilute the brand so much that audiences no longer care (This is not good for Marvel), or Marvel has to bite the bullet and purchase them back.
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Part of the deal is that the rights revert back to Marvel if X amount of time passes between films. What you just said is basically the point I've been trying to make, and have made in the past. ;)

We won't see the rights for Spider-Man, or X-Men, revert back to Marvel any time soon and I can't see Marvel buying them back cause it'll cost an absolute fortune for them to do so. It's probably in their best interests to wait for them to lapse, no matter how long that happens to take, because there's no way they'd be able to buy them back even with Disney's money.
 
Nice! Looking forward to anything with the Marvel stamp.


Here are some other films/dates.

Captain America 2
???? The Avengers 2
???? Deadpool
???? Doctor Strange
???? Nick Fury
???? The Hands of Shang-Chi
2013 Thor 2
2013 Iron Man 3
 
Woody__ said:
Why should Marvel buy back the rights to the film when they can get them back, for nothing, when the rights lapse?

EDIT: Like what happened with Hulk after Ang Lee's film, or what's just happened with The Punisher.
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Who said anything about Marvel buying back the rights, it's called negotiation, it would be beneficial for both to include Spiderman in the continuity, even if it was for a small side role. As was said, Oscorp tower was going to be in The Avengers until the last minute. That's an image right of Sony's film, so they played ball on some level.
 
Sony are unlikely to negotiate anything whilst Disney remain one of their biggest competitors. I seriously can't see it happening.
 
Woody__ said:
Sony are unlikely to negotiate anything whilst Disney remain one of their biggest competitors. I seriously can't see it happening.
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"That design overlap, and the stunning look of the Oscorp Tower (seriously stunning) was enough for Marvel Studios and Sony to have the discussion about inserting Oscorp into The Avengers skyline. The Unified Marvel Manhattan Skyline almost existed.
By the time the Oscorp building was fully designed, The Avengers digital Manhattan was already basically rendered and there was some up-conversion that needed to go down, so—for timing—it was scrapped.

BUT—Sony and Disney were going to let this happen. THAT's the key thing here. Timing just didn't work out."
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That was going to happen, ball is being played somewhere on some level. By putting that tower in they were accepting universal structure and that Spiderman existed within the Marvel?Disney continuity.

A cameo is not beyond question. Clearly in this case.
 
johnyccc said:
Must be able to do better than an Ant-Man film surely
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It appears to be a Passion project of Edgar Wright's he's been pushing for years, I don't believe it's a case of Marvel going 'Oh we should do an Ant-Man film, the masses will love that, He's a massive staple in the Marvel universe we should adapt...'

He was developing it in 2007, it's just finally he's managed to garner enough backing to get it done so that Marvel think's they make a profit out of it and pull in the numbers.
 
shipinabottle said:
It appears to be a Passion project of Edgar Wright's he's been pushing for years, I don't believe it's a case of Marvel going 'Oh we should do an Ant-Man film, the masses will love that, He's a massive staple in the Marvel universe we should adapt...'

He was developing it in 2007, it's just finally he's managed to garner enough backing to get it done so that Marvel think's they make a profit out of it and pull in the numbers.
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Yeah, sounds like he could pull it off.. Summary from io9:

And Wright showed us some test footage he shot featuring Ant-Man! And despite some rough spots, including bluescreen and unfinished effects, it was absolutely clear that Ant-Man can look badass and tough, rather than just being a joke character.

Basically it's a scene where two figures in sunglasses are guarding an elevator door — and Ant-Man comes out of a ventilator grill, at tiny size. He runs up the hallway at small scale, and then suddenly becomes fullsize in front of the guards. They pull out their guns — but Ant-Man's already tiny again, and he's running along the guard's gun. He jumps and punches the guard in the face, using all his actual weight to knock the guy out. Then he grows big again and flips the other guard over and throws him into a window. The rapid shapechanging and ultra-violence makes him look just fantastically tough.

Oh, and the costume looks pretty stylish, with the classic ant-mandible mask, but also a darker suit. Not so much red, more like something that could fit in on the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier. Wright says he wanted the costume to "mix the silver age and the contemporary look of the character."
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