Scam or world changing technology?

Do I believe a perpetual motion machine work, eerrrmmmm no, no I don't.

First it's Rodin coil and it's a load of bs have you read what he says on it, it doesn't work either and where is it in all our mobile phones, where all the results rom the 2006 tests. You have been suckered.

there are loads of working ones on youtube though. are you suggesting they are all fakes? (im talking rodin coil here).

as i say, im no science geek so maybe its all BS and faked but to my knowledge the rodin coil and tesla flying machine tech actually works.
 
there are loads of working ones on youtube though. are you suggesting they are all fakes? (im talking rodin coil here).

as i say, im no science geek so maybe its all BS and faked but to my knowledge the rodin coil and tesla flying machine tech actually works.

There is no working ones on YouTube, yes they are fake, or just require energy.
You really are gullible.
 
there are loads of working ones on youtube though. are you suggesting they are all fakes? (im talking rodin coil here).

Yes, because if such machines existed, the only proof of them would be through badly shot youtube videos, they would gain absolutely no mainstream media interest or widespread commercial use at all.
 
From the site under the USA drone UFO ****
A variation of the same technology that is said to allow for advanced propulsion is also asserted to allow for the clean production of electricity. Keshe is taking deposits for both 3-4 kilowatt power generators that require a 500 Euro deposit, and 10 kilowatt power generators that require a 2,000 Euro deposit. The full price of the 3-4 kilowatt system is five thousand Euro, and the full price of the 10 kilowatt system is twenty thousand Euro. However, he stated the prices for both systems are about to go up, due to high demand. During the interview he explained how these systems are far more economical and advantageous than solar powered systems. They run twenty four hours a day, unlike solar panels that only operate in the day time, and they are cheaper than solar power systems. They also are claimed to only require refueling once every thirty to fifty years. These systems are also sealed to prevent anyone from opening them up and seeing how they work.

Keshe claims they started manufacturing the first ten thousand units six months ago. The first units should start shipping to customers in about six months. He mentioned that if the units are not shipped within 12 months the deposits will be returned. He described how the deposits are sitting in a secure bank account, completely untouched. A story was told about how once someone complained about how the deposits were being managed. Keshe said that two governments examined the bank account the deposits were held in, and determined everything was in order.

Scam.
 
For a perpetual motion machine to work you'd need to get out more energy than you put in. Anyone who thinks this might be possible understands nothing about physics.
Well, it depends on what they mean by "perpetual motion".

An item can create more energy than it costs to manufacture (solar panels for one) but not in a closed system.

As in reality no systems are 100% closed, in a sense a perpetual motion machine can exist (a simple generator which is pushed by constant sea currents/water-mill are two examples of the real kind).

But obviously, this is exploiting ambient energy - not something which can be fully classed as a perpetual motion machine in it's standard sense.
 
Well, it depends on what they mean by "perpetual motion".

An item can create more energy than it costs to manufacture (solar panels for one) but not in a closed system.

As in reality no systems are 100% closed, in a sense a perpetual motion machine can exist (a simple generator which is pushed by constant sea currents/water-mill are two examples of the real kind).

But obviously, this is exploiting ambient energy - not something which can be fully classed as a perpetual motion machine in it's standard sense.

A proper perpetual motion machine wouldn't require an external power source, so solar panels and anything powered by wind or water definitely don't count!
 
Well, it depends on what they mean by "perpetual motion".

An item can create more energy than it costs to manufacture (solar panels for one) but not in a closed system.

As in reality no systems are 100% closed, in a sense a perpetual motion machine can exist (a simple generator which is pushed by constant sea currents/water-mill are two examples of the real kind).

But obviously, this is exploiting ambient energy - not something which can be fully classed as a perpetual motion machine in it's standard sense.

what about magnets? cant you tap off electricity generated via magnetic flux?

i really wish i had studied physics a bit more. wasnt very interested at school.
 
Well, it depends on what they mean by "perpetual motion".

Er - Perpetual Motion Machines have a very precise pair of definitions:

1) A PPM of the First Order violates the First law of Thermodynamics.
2) A PPM of the Second Order violates the Second law of thermodynamics.
(I'm not sure if anyone has claimed to have created a PPM that only violates the Third Law)

If your machines doesn't claim to (or appear to) violate any of the Laws of Thermodynamics then it's not a Perpetual Motion Machine, although it may very well still be a scam, as the item listed in the OP clearly is.

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Er - Perpetual Motion Machines have a very precise pair of definitions:

1) A PPM of the First Order violates the First law of Thermodynamics.
2) A PPM of the Second Order violates the Second law of thermodynamics.
(I'm not sure if anyone has claimed to have created a PPM that only violates the Third Law)

If your machines doesn't claim to (or appear to) violate any of the Laws of Thermodynamics then it's not a Perpetual Motion Machine, although it may very well still be a scam, as the item listed in the OP clearly is.

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Oh I agree, I just assume in part when people reference then - they mean something a little different (IE, not closed system).

Two definitions are given on wiki

"It can also be described as "the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear"

"Motion that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy; impossible in practice because of friction!".

The first isn't really perpetual motion (because current existing technology in theory can fit it (or as good as indefinite) - the second definition is indeed poppycock (as in the definition it implies a closed system).

The only reason I don't give much value to the second definition is because there is no such thing as a 100% closed system in reality.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe perpetual motion machines are real & have been made by the second definition.

But in theory, a machine could be made which meets the first definition stated (but isn't in an isolated system, simply utilising external energy from a source which is as good as infinite - such as mavity/the sun/geothermal) - the key point is isolated.
 
Oh I agree, I just assume in part when people reference then - they mean something a little different (IE, not closed system).

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Don't underestimates peoples belief systems. Many many people belief in such systems and use YouTube to prove it, and it's all some big conspiracy.

Tim minchin - storm, sums it up nicely. I'll post the relevant bits. Change homeopathy for any other nonsense.

If you show me,
That, say, homeopathy works,
Then I will change my mind
I'll spin on a ******* dime
I'll be embarrassed as hell,
But I will run through the streets yelling
It's a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory!
And while it's memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is Infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it's had in it!


If you're going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo.
That show was so cool
because every time there's a church with a ghoul
Or a ghost in a school
They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The ******* janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide.
Throughout history
Every mystery
Ever solved has turned out to be
Not Magic.

Just this beautiful, complex
Wonderfully unfathomable, NATURAL world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
If you're so into Shakespeare
Lend me your ear:
“To gild refined gold, to paint the lily,
To throw perfume on the violet… is just ******* silly”
Or something like that.
Or what about Satchmo?!
I see trees of Green,
Red roses too,
And fine, if you wish to
Glorify Krishna and Vishnu
In a post-colonial, condescending
Bottled-up and labeled kind of way
Then whatever, that's ok.
But here's what gives me a hard-on:
I am a tiny, insignificant, ignorant lump of carbon.
I have one life, and it is short
And unimportant…
But thanks to recent scientific advances
I get to live twice as long
As my great great great great uncleses and auntses.
Twice as long to live this life of mine
Twice as long to love this wife of mine
Twice as many years of friends and wine
Of sharing curries and getting ******
With good-looking hippies
With fairies on their spines
And butterflies on their titties.
 
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yes but you have to move something in and out of the field... which requires energy

but doesnt a rodin coil (if they actually work) create a weird levitating effect

or the tesla machine where 4 magnetic arms rotate in sequence creating a magnetic flux. i guess you might use a small amount of power to start it but then it starts to use no power and harvests instead.

as i say, i dont know. i just saw some vids the other week. so many people making rodin coils, seems odd they are all fakes, but who knows.

Glaucus - yup. belief systems are still massively popular. look at religion. and it doesnt even have flashy youtube vids ;)
 
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