Anyone know Stacey and Ellie Hall from Leeds?

Halfmad said:
They have the end point - the call was taken, they simply work back from the time it came in and trace any calls active on the numbers at that time. The problem will be what telecommunications company it came from and getting hold of those records as well as the necessary legal permission to access that data. :rolleyes:

More importantly if they have a vague idea where it came from there can only be so many 23 &^&&&& court to check and I suspect neighbours will be doing that already.
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:rolleyes:yeah because if it's that easy, they just haven't done it. Yeah ok, Let's just assume some BS and that they just haven't tried.

Seeing as they are searching birth certificate databases and other avenues, why do you think they haven't done this?

If it is court and not a red herring.
So you also thing they haven't tried going to 23 courts in a general area?
What do you think they've been doing? Sat on their hands, going this is impossible?
 
TheVoice said:
It's an ambulance service control room, not MI5.[/]b The call was evidently made from a mobile so there's no 'address' as such, and the mobile networks need a summons to release any customer information, location etc, which is presumably what the police will be doing.
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how is that relevant - do MI5 have a reputation for having better DBAs/IT staff than other govt depts?

If there were more direct methods, do you people really think they wouldn't have already been used? Calling the emergency services inept whilst suggesting complete nonsense is rather hypocritical.
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querying databases is nonsense? I'm criticising the system as a whole - I don't see why it would be so bad for the police to be able to make the occasional special request, in situations like this, that address details be provided. Whether this is a legal barrier or just an organisational one it is silly IMO.
 
Haggisman said:
Surely with the ridiculous amount of information stored about us these days this should be a walk in the park with the right authority?

See incoming phone number
Contact network operator
Ask for other numbers that have been called/texted from phone recently
Call these numbers and ask for details

Even if it's a pay&go number, the operator should still have call records.

Oh wait. I remember now, the emergency services aren't allowed to use modern technology in case they get a computer virus. :rolleyes:
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What on earth has contacting a network operator to obtain call/sms history got to do with getting a computer virus?

In fact, I'd have thought it probably wouldn't even be the emergency service operator that could do such a thing given that records like that would be subject to the DPA?

I know your suggestion about connecting emergency service operators to the web for Google Maps was shot down but there's no need to be ridiculous about it.
 
What databases? Honestly, none of us here have a clue how these things actually work but I think it's fair to say that, given it's been over 24 hours since the initial call, they do not and cannot work the way you're suggesting they do.
 
Glaucus said:
:rolleyes:yeah because if it's that easy, they just haven't done it. Yeah ok, Let's just assume some BS and that they just haven't tried.

Seeing as they are searching birth certificate databases and other avenues, why do you think they haven't done this?

If it is court and not a red herring.
So you also thing they haven't tried going to 23 courts in a general area?
What do you think they've been doing? Sat on their hands, going this is impossible?
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Is there any particular reason why you've chosen such a tragic thread as this to do some self-epeen bashing?How do you think the Police trace withheld nuisance/malicious calls? by magic? :p

As far as I'm aware neither you nor I are in charge of the investigation so how exactly would I know whether or not they'd already tried all of the 23 courts in the area? Most likely, but the chances are they're chasing several lines of investigation, trying a trace on the numbers, trying to sort out birth certifications AND knocking frantically on doors.

Inspector Glaucus - over to you. :rolleyes:
 
Glaucus said:
Query for what, which phone company, which list, querry for what ID?

Why do you think It's so easy? why do you think they haven't thought off that? seeing as they're going to the efforts to try and find birth certificates from a database.
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you've got a finite number of phone companies... they all store this data... they could query the billing database for all I care (yes 999 calls can appear on your bill).. the idea that its rocket science to do this is laughable... you've got the time of the call and the duration it could be narrowed down very easily.

the problem is either a legal one in that they aren't allowed to ask for this info in a timely manner or simply an organisational one in that getting from police officer -> up chain of command to request being made to phone companies... to request being escalated to competent staff member actually running such a query and providing said data is problematic... it shouldn't be, IMHO. Claiming there is a technological barrier to this is ridiculous.
 
What epeen.

if they could do it, they would have. For one reason or another they can't. So you suggesting they do something simple it's rather silly. It is all the way up the chain and it's been 24hours so they could have got court orders, so it's unlikely to be either of them.

Both can play that game, why choose such a tragic thread to bash the police.
It's obviuse they are trying and they can't do your suggestions, so why carry on.

They've decided to go public to try and speed up the process, that is wrong with any off that. The quicker they solve it the better, although this amount of time passing I hope it's a hoax as its unlike to end well after 24hours.
 
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OK, this is how it works.

The police should have the number. I don't think it's possible to withhold a number from the emergency services.

Just because they have the number doesn't mean they can 'trace' the call.
They will be able to do a subscriber check (Find out who the mobile is registered to) almost immediately, however a very large percentage of mobiles are unregistered.

They will be able to do an 'eastings and northings' which will tell them what mobile phone mast the call was routed from and even give a very approximate location (Several streets and these are rarely accurate).

You'd hope that there is a 'Something Court' within the area of eastings and northings, but maybe there isn't.

It's possible that this child isn't at home but has been asked for a home address and has given it, or is quoting a previous address mistakenly. The child could even be giving an entirely wrong address, the poor little mite is only 3.

There will be all sorts of checks being done on multiple indices including electoral register, DWP and any number of others.
Some checks can be completed instantly, some will take longer.

This is a very saddening story and I very much hope it all works out OK.
 
On a side note, there will likely be dozens of 'something court's in Leeds, some roads, some just blocks.
It is not unlikely that a car will be sent to every 23 ___ Court in the area, but this would be a manpower issue and none of us know what is available and how many addresses need attending.
 
i find it surprising that people assume the police are not already covering all the lines of enquiry suggested above.

i am sure they are exhausting all efforts to trace the call or address, going public being another route to try and speed things up.

:confused::confused:
 
i listened to it, and to me it sounded a bit strange? the girl talked really well, perhaps too well for just three? anyway im probably wrong, hope they find her .
 
Halfmad said:
It may not display at the end point but telephone companies can trace incoming calls regardless, after all it needs a source and destination, it's not magic. Legally though I'm not sure how they could do this quickly.
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I read it was a unregistered mobile so you couldn't track it
 
Hatter The Mad said:
You know we have these things called computers, right? They can search instantly! :D
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he uses a tablet, it doesn't have the power for such things so he has probably forgotten what a pc can achieve*


i mean this in jest as always. i totally agree with you that if the police COULD trace it quickly using the methods members are suggesting it would have been done by now
 
I cant understand why they havn't got a number. My mobile is witheld but when I've rang 999 the operator can tell the next operator the number I'm calling from.
 
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