Haswell?

[MADMAN]

when this sucker comes out something else better will be around the corner

 

[WingZero30]

when this sucker comes out something else better will be around the corner

Skylake

 

[tbh]

Is haswell not another skt 2011 cpu?

Haswell-E will be Socket 2011, just a different Socket 2011:

Haswell E and EP to use a Different Socket 2011

 

[MADMAN]

Skylake

oh darn it... whats after that lol

 

[Yaayuh!]

Haswell-E will be Socket 2011, just a different Socket 2011:

Haswell E and EP to use a Different Socket 2011

Sounds odd and it's SemiAccurate, so take with a pinch of salt.
I would also put money on "Haswell-E" using DDR4, especially since its so far away.

 

[EnderXi]

there is always something newer and faster on the horizon, the bottom line is pick a point at which you want to buy new hardware, get the most bang for your buck when you do it and dont stress out about the next new hardware.

What im trying to say is decide on your upgrade cycle and stick to it, personally im going for a Haswell chip, i skipped ivybridge because my 920 is still rocking on for what I do on it.

 

[llamadal]

there is always something newer and faster on the horizon, the bottom line is pick a point at which you want to buy new hardware, get the most bang for your buck when you do it and dont stress out about the next new hardware.

What im trying to say is decide on your upgrade cycle and stick to it, personally im going for a Haswell chip, i skipped ivybridge because my 920 is still rocking on for what I do on it.

After allot of thought, a few questions on these forums and a load of benchmarks, I have decided the same with my current i7 960. While I would love to jump to new hardware now, the cost vs the gain just cant be justified.

Hopefully Haswell is released on time, runs well and is a suitable boost over what is currently available, just got to be patient.

 

[Dirtyganker]

honestly i dont care about all the fine details,im just saying they change the sockets far too much purely for greed,end of the matter far as im concerned

If you even slightly understood the reasons for why sockets change, the technical limitations of each socket and why a given socket may not allow implementation of a certain feature or technology then you wouldn't write such blatantly ignorant and incorrect rubbish.

 

[Dirtyganker]

Not 2011 yet.

Ivybridge-E is still scheduled for LGA2011 Q3 2013 for Performance/Enthusiast users.
Haswell is scheduled for supposedly for LGA1150 Q1-Q2 2013 for Mainstream/Performance users.

Here's some news:
http://tech2.in.com/news/cpus/intel-to-launch-ivy-bridgee-in-q3-2013/348492

http://www.techpowerup.com/169804/Intel-Ivy-Bridge-E-Slated-for-Q3-2013.html



You can't compare Ivybridge to Ivybridge-E just like you can't really compare Sandybridge to Sandybridge-E. Different layout, IMC, amounts of cache, amount of cores and also the lack of IGP etc. They're made differently and they perform differently.
Ivybridge-E will give the ability of the full 8 cores and a much better IMC. All of which would be lovely.

+1 everything Rossi~ writes here.

I'd even go as far as saying that since socket 2011 is likely to continue to represent the premium desktop platform that this might hint that there won't be the performance gains in Haswell to make it worth waiting for. The last lot of info I read was that IB-E would launch after Haswell.

What seems to be happening is people believe that since Haswell would release before IB-E it has led a lot of people to make the assumption that it would mean that IB-E would be so far away that it was unlikely to materialise at all. If Haswell was going to be a significant step in performance again then this would make sense, but remember that this is just everyone making an assumption.

If Haswell performance is not likely to be significantly better than IB then IB-E in Q3 2013 would make total sense. IB-E at 22nm and with a 120w instead of a 77w ceiling would hint at being awesome indeed. The potential might be there if the IB IGP wasn't a factor.

Just my two pennies, I don't actually have a crystal ball.

 

[opethdisciple]

300% igpu performance improvement compared to IVY....

 

[ubersonic]

300% igpu performance improvement compared to IVY....

Whoa, if that holds true it will be matching or beating the likes of the HD 7730M and the GT 640M which means good performance/power things for laptops. Assuming the Haswell i3 makes more of an appearance than the IB one this could seriously damage the sales of sub 50 pound GFX cards as if this all comes to pass Haswell with have a iGPU that beats things like the HD6670 and the GT630.

 

[Martini1991]

300% igpu performance improvement compared to IVY....

Hopefully still behind Trinity by a decent amount.

 

[Yaayuh!]

300% igpu performance improvement compared to IVY....

Would take with large bucket of salt.
Softpedia relaying what Fudzilla are saying:

We know it’s a big statement but sources close to the matter that have seen a roadmap or a two have revealed us that Haswell comes three times faster 3D graphics than today’s Ivy Bridge Core i 3000 series.

In fact, i would probably go as far as saying disregard it entirely. It's got equal amounts of fact and feasibility as a random wannabe forum poster spouting garbage.

 

[Martini1991]

Yeah, I'd go with Rossi and say ignore it.
Really don't know why you keep posting the links ope.

 

[Dave2150]

+1 everything Rossi~ writes here.

I'd even go as far as saying that since socket 2011 is likely to continue to represent the premium desktop platform that this might hint that there won't be the performance gains in Haswell to make it worth waiting for. The last lot of info I read was that IB-E would launch after Haswell.

What seems to be happening is people believe that since Haswell would release before IB-E it has led a lot of people to make the assumption that it would mean that IB-E would be so far away that it was unlikely to materialise at all. If Haswell was going to be a significant step in performance again then this would make sense, but remember that this is just everyone making an assumption.

If Haswell performance is not likely to be significantly better than IB then IB-E in Q3 2013 would make total sense. IB-E at 22nm and with a 120w instead of a 77w ceiling would hint at being awesome indeed. The potential might be there if the IB IGP wasn't a factor.

Just my two pennies, I don't actually have a crystal ball.

Obiously Haswell should have higher performance than ivy, since it is the next generation.

Socket 2011 is pretty much dead in the water save for those enthusiasts who do a lot of video editing/etc who will want to spend 500 quid+ on a cpu (IB-E)

I know a lot of people on 2011 really hope Haswell has bad performance, so their hardware doesn't seem so obsolete but I believe they will be proven wrong soon enough :3

 

[scwba06]

I'm thinking about waiting for Haswell too. Ivy chips may drop slightly in price when Haswell is launched and if there is an ivy/sb like gap in performance I may go with ivy

 

[Dirtyganker]

Obiously Haswell should have higher performance than ivy, since it is the next generation.

Really? Thats obvious to you? Because it's not obvious to me. How do you know such things? No one else does! Can we have a go on your crystal ball pls?

Socket 2011 is pretty much dead in the water save for those enthusiasts who do a lot of video editing/etc who will want to spend 500 quid+ on a cpu (IB-E)

A nice healthy dose of exageration never goes a miss huh? You've got to work pretty hard to want to spend that kind of money on an SB-E cpu and in fact most people that go the SB-E route don't. Thats just a bs figure as you couldn't even spend 500 quid on a 6 core 3930K if you wanted, and if you did you'd be an idiot.

I know a lot of people on 2011 really hope Haswell has bad performance, so their hardware doesn't seem so obsolete but I believe they will be proven wrong soon enough :3

Haswell won't have bad performance ... what are you on?

What a load of rubbish. Why would anyone be hoping the next gen CPUs are garbage? What a truly stupid thing to suggest, only trumped by someone that really did think that way.

Personally I can't wait, I'll be buying one no matter what I currently have just for the hell of it. Doesn't mean I'll be getting rid of what I currently have though, more likely to be just adding to what I have. I just need the best tool for the job, no matter what.

 

[Dirtyganker]

I'm thinking about waiting for Haswell too. Ivy chips may drop slightly in price when Haswell is launched and if there is an ivy/sb like gap in performance I may go with ivy

SB prices didn't drop that much and in reality it was more an issue of people having to pay a premium for the new tech. I don't know what gap you think there is between IB and SB, because most people seem to accept that there is so little in it that it's not worth the upgrade.

Whilst currently owning a 2700K and a 3770K and without comparing the IGP I can honestly say that I can't tell the difference in games and I doubt you could either.

 

[scwba06]

SB prices didn't drop that much and in reality it was more an issue of people having to pay a premium for the new tech. I don't know what gap you think there is between IB and SB, because most people seem to accept that there is so little in it that it's not worth the upgrade.

Whilst currently owning a 2700K and a 3770K and without comparing the IGP I can honestly say that I can't tell the difference in games and I doubt you could either.

Where's the fire? Re read the tone of my post - sb wasn't much cheaper than ivy but ivy wasn't that much better,than sb. I was saying that if Haswell is similar ie not much of an improvement on ivy id consider the cheaper version

 

[Dirtyganker]

Where's the fire? Re read the tone of my post - sb wasn't much cheaper than ivy but ivy wasn't that much better,than sb. I was saying that if Haswell is similar ie not much of an improvement on ivy id consider the cheaper version

Apologies, it was the way you worded it and your punctuation that actually gave me the reverse impression of what you were trying to communicate. I had to re-read it about 6 times before I got the jist of what you were saying ... and I broadly agree with the sentiment.