This! Why should a nurse in cornwall be paid a basic salary less than one in Surrey ? They do the same job, dolph just loves to buy into the Tory wet dream of a race to the bottom
27% turnout yet they are still going on strike.
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This! Why should a nurse in cornwall be paid a basic salary less than one in Surrey ? They do the same job, dolph just loves to buy into the Tory wet dream of a race to the bottom
Ah yes, let us just close the schools or magic up a new and successful management team from scratch, brilliant idea, that won't harm kids in any way, the glory of the free market.
What do you mean this would be disastrous for education, it's the free market, it can't be wrong?!?!?
Bloody daft libertarians
whereas substandard teaching (even by our generally low educational standards) doesn't harm children?
So the solution is 0 teaching by closing the school?! LOL
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Maybe they should be paid less bacuse it costs less to live there?
But in reality it doesn't so they probably won't be paid less there.
Different places show different wages in the private sector (real world) so why should tax payer funded staff not?
It may mean its not so hard to attract decent teachers to inner London if they are paid a sensible wage, I mean no decent teacher would consider working there when they could work in a nice place in the UK with comparable or lower living costs and earn the same wage.
As long as the jobs are well benchmarked to a range of comparable private sector jobs then I can see no sensible objection apart from politically motivated or those who had always had it so good objecting to being brought back to the reality of the real economy.
Only if you lack any ability to think... closing the school (which in a world of choice would have been losing pupils anyway) just means the pupils are taught elsewhere where the quality of work is better...
I mean, really, was this ridiculous reply the best counter you could come up with?
Can I stick you down as reference to back up my application because apparently that matters not ...
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Sure thing, I would probably get beaten to death by a horde of left leaning equality freaks tho
How did you come to the conclusion that M's anecdotal situation requires closure?
How does it automatically mean they are taught elsewhere?
I disagree.
The private sector is more than able to provide an alternative service, the operation of state education is not a monopoly. It does not need to be broken down and national pay bargaining is hardly the preserve of certain trade unions.
Unless you allow the end user to determine where their tax goes, the private sector cannot compete with public sector provision as the public has no way of making a valid choice.
In your opinion, which again I disagree with. The principle of tax spending does not turn education into a monopoly automatically in principle or by way of evidence.
People can make valid informed decisions, and the private sector has the ability to compete. A relief would probably help, but it's up to the private sector to make itself viable in that sense.
So, in your world, there are multiple schools in an area where students can just pack up and go without affecting those schools? Just like that, via the magical hand of the freemarket.
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I feel your pain. I've done time working in a school, that's why I responded to Castiel. The Public Secror is full of underpaid, undervalued workers and it's these workers that seemingly always get cut first. Got to protect the "valuable" front line staff. Front line staff that are often incompetent and lust "jobs for lifers" coasting along. Whereas the support staff often have no choice but to work very hard and meet unrealistic standards handed down by their taskmasters.
I was paid £10K less than the equivalent middle-manager, who was a teacher, when I worked for a school. Interestingly I always worked a 52 week contract, so the normal 24 days holiday. I also worked a lot harder than most teachers. This lead to a level of bitterness that essentially forced me out of working in education. It's a shame as I enjoyed belongs children learn.
Oh and the Uniform/Support Staff divide exists in the NHS, Police and Fire Service too. Vast swathes of minimum wage support staff with no militant union to fight for them so they get bad working conditions and, like I've already said, due to the often poversished backgrounds these workers come from they simply have no choice but to put up with the conditions. Yet seemingly our Government thinks cutting these 10k a year jobs will fix the billions spent floating the system.
I know of a place where they cut a guys job. He was paid 15k PA and worked his backside off for the company. As he was being cut, due to budget constraints, the CEO had awarded himself a 20k pay rise.
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It's Dolph, don't expect rational argument. He's so anti-Public sector he almosts froths at the mouth in threads like this.
He is a libertarian, it is the fantasy land populated mostly by white privileged males who drift off there when they want to espouse how the free market meant we were all equal really and they got where they are by their own hard work and nothing else.
I'm sure that there's plenty of unions that would take them...
A choice between paying for a service once or twice if you choose not to use the first isn't a valid choice at all.
it is not the tax spending itself that creates the monopoly, it is the way taxation is spent in the UK that does that. a voucher system for education, valid at any willing and capable provider, would be a good alternative that does not have the same tendancies.
Where systems are run based on what is politically palatable, rather than what is best from a commercial or service delivery viewpoint, such stupidity is a natural consequence.