the guardian's dying

What's needed is a news stream which is neither private or state funded, then we might actually get some news worthwhile.

You don’t need a news stream as there are already enough sources of news available. The news being provided is already worthwhile (whatever that means). An individual news stream stinks of big brother and will never be free of some kind of leaning. We already have a news stream provided by the BBC.

If people want left/right commentators and editorials then let them subscribe to whoever provides that kind of news. You want access to a niche news market then pay for it and don’t expect the rest of us to subsidise your taste in news.
 
Newspapers will be a thing of the past soon anyway. Eventually everyone will have smart phone/tablet and access to the internet will be everywhere so will just read the news from there.

Some changing business models are needed from the papers ( and many other retailers, e.g. HMV)
 
Hang on a minute, this guy has a really good point:

“A small levy on UK broadband providers – no more than £2 a month on each subscriber’s bill – could be distributed to news providers in proportion to their UK online readership. This would solve the financial problems of quality newspapers, whose readers are not disappearing, but simply migrating online. There are almost 20m UK households that are paying upwards of £15 a month for a good broadband connection, plus another 5m mobile internet subscriptions. People willingly pay this money to a handful of telecommunications companies, but pay nothing for the news content they receive as a result, whose continued survival is generally agreed to be a fundamental plank of democracy. A £2 levy on top – collected easily from the small number of UK service providers (BT, Virgin, Sky, TalkTalk etc) who would add it on to consumers’ bills – would raise more than £500 million annually. It could be collected by a freestanding agency, on the lines of the BBC licence fee, and redistributed automatically to “news providers” according to their share of UK online readership.”

It is true that newspapers (and news journalism in general) is suffering as their revenue streams dry up. It is also true this is a bad thing! Having great networks, like the Internet, but nothing but rubbish, shallow content, is no good at all.

The question is how do we guarantee good content, which will cost, when the distribution is essentially free? A fee on broadband connections to fund journalism makes at least as much sense as the TV licence to fund the BBC. In fact I think it makes more sense!

Also note - this isn't a Guardian specific thing, this would benefit all news papers and as a result everyone else.

I personally think it is a bad point.

I'm not willing to pay that extra to go to newspapers. We already pay for the broadband connection & as far as I'm concerned I use the BBC so I'm already paying for that too.

I have no intention of reading the Guardian, Sun, Daily mail blah blah blah so why should I pay for them? :p
 
Most people don't. That's why all of them are losing money. I believe the closest any come to making money is the Daily Mail. The other papers all only exist because they are part of larger business empires which are propped up by other concerns. The Grauniad is in more trouble than most because the company which owns it has most of its money in newspapers, all of which are suffering.

But most people think like you: why pay for a newpaper, when you can get the news for free? But all "free" news is supplied by organisations which get money from elsewhere: the BBC being the classic example. Of course many on the Right would argue that actually you do pay for the BBC news. All of which is fine as long as the owners are happy to fund the free news side, but most would love to get out of it, and provide only news which is paid for. But it's basic economics: until everyone gets out of free news, no one will. In the meantime, the "free" news services from the big papers are bleeding even more capital out of the owners, on top of the losses coming from printing a newspaper.

But the one big difference between the two formats is that only printed papers do in-depth news. On-line free newspapers just give you a summary. That's fine for those who don't care, and there are enough who do care to support the pay services. But the news in depth is important - there are far too many people whose understanding of an important issue is a mixture of headlines and bias. The Guardian's idea is silly, and is never going to happen, but the continuing loss of quality of the current newspapers (because quality costs money) will increase, and a couple at least will go under. How important you consider this depends on whether you think a well-informed electorate is a good idea or not.

Even if BBC and other major news sources started charging, I've still got plenty of free news coverage on Google / Youtube from far more entertaining people. News information is free nowadays, and it always will be because you can't stop people posting / discussing news they've already read for free.
 
Because it's nice to be able to fold a page, get the full picture, be comfortable reading and of course to do a crossword puzzle.

I find my smartphone far more comfortable than a full size newspaper blowing around in the wind, and video games > crossword puzzles. Even free sudoko puzzles online > one per newspaper. Plus I get to skip on the Daily Fail bias.
 
Care to point out the part which implied the rest of you would be subsidising it?.

I said none state funded. :rolleyes:

I’ll give you some eye drops if you want, it will help you read the first post. If it's not state or privately funded then who else you be funding it unless of course it will be you or I with a subsidy from your internet subscription.
 
Even if BBC and other major news sources started charging, I've still got plenty of free news coverage on Google / Youtube from far more entertaining people. News information is free nowadays, and it always will be because you can't stop people posting / discussing news they've already read for free.
And there is the problem. It is unfortunate that the majority of the public demand entertainment or infotainment - not news. That's why The Sun and The Mirror outsells everything else by a big margin.
 
Well yea, if its not Philip Defranco or TYT, its boring news. Well, I suppose fox news is entertaining enough, go go Glen Beck!
 
I find my smartphone far more comfortable than a full size newspaper blowing around in the wind, and video games > crossword puzzles. Even free sudoko puzzles online > one per newspaper. Plus I get to skip on the Daily Fail bias.

I don’t know many people who read the paper outside when the wind is blowing so anything would be better than doing that. I guess that four inch screen gives some people all the stimulation they need. It must be on parity with reading the tabloids for clarity and entertainment.
 
News information is free nowadays, and it always will be because you can't stop people posting / discussing news they've already read for free.
Quality journalism is not free! Only shallow, ill informed, topped and tailed press releases etc are 'free'.
 
I'd be pretty annoyed if The Guardian closed, mainly because it's one of my most browsed websites. I'd dearly miss Football Weekly and the generally high quality sports writing. It's a site I would definitely consider paying to use.

This...

People seem to be confusing access to news with access to investigative journalism, they are not the same thing.
 
Quality journalism is not free! Only shallow, ill informed, topped and tailed press releases etc are 'free'.

Sorry, but YouTube news comedians are still far better quality than the Sun and Daily Mail.

And TYT are actually very good quality professional journalists, plus Anna is hot.
 
For me the UK papers are really missing a trick here. They are reputable on a wordlwide basis and should be looking at their websites as the way to drive revenue in future.

The Guardian website is in the top 200 ranked sites globally. In 20 years are people really going to be buying anything in printed format? Very little i would imagine and certainly not a daily paper.

As with the music and film industry the current big hitters refuse to see the huge opportunities available to them and simply resist the change on all levels. Leaving it to new firms to bring in the technology that makes delivering this content so much more efficient.
 
For me the UK papers are really missing a trick here. They are reputable on a wordlwide basis and should be looking at their websites as the way to drive revenue in future.



How, exactly? Do you think that they don't want to? If they put up a pay wall, everyone stops reading. If they put up too many adverts, ditto (and if too many people use ad-blockers then the advertisers won't pay up). Everyone expects the internets to be free, and begrudge paying a penny. No-one, and I mean no-one, has a model for making news profitable on the webs, while maintaining any sort of quality. It's not like they aren't trying.
 
The Times put up a paywall, it hasn't worked - there is talk of them allowing free access to some articles now as a taster.

I find it amusing that the Guardian bleated on about the banks getting bailouts.. now they ask for a permanent one ? pot, kettle ?

In any case what about all the high street shops that have seen the internet kill off their business ? even the big boys like HMV are seriously struggling - should we bail them out too ? How about Yellow Pages ? another dead business, them too ?

Taxing the public for internet access to support private (failing) business just isn't gonna happen...
 
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