Oh my goodness! It's damn obvious that his actions have badly effected the girl's life and her family and it is completely wrong, therefore trying to patronise me over a post is just stupid.
Missing girl 15, runs off with Maths teacher.
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Oh my goodness! It's damn obvious that his actions have badly effected the girl's life and her family and it is completely wrong, therefore trying to patronise me over a post is just stupid.
Did you miss the previous 4 tellings of this joke? BAN!
I did, i couldn't bring myself to read through 15 pages of crap - sorry.
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I don't think he's some calculated (pun not intended this time) Sexual predator looking for a victim to live out a sordid fantasy. I believe he genuinely thought he feel in love with her........dumb ****
He will have the book thrown at him no doubt
Apology accepted, just don't do it again.
Thanks for clearing that up - I thought he might be allowed to become a teacher again after kidnapping one of his students
Yeah I mean it's only child abduction and sex with someone underage. Nothing wrong with that as long as she said "yes".
And 16 is a completely arbitrary age to draw a line in the sand at. And a pretty recent line it is, too.
People get hung up on the technicalities and points of law. Far too much.
She is a "child" because the law says so, but this isn't even a universal law. It's a law based on what, exactly? Popular opinion, it seems. Or maybe they rolled a d20 and it landed on 16... therefore, anybody a day under 16 is a mindless child not capable of making decisions, and yet everybody achieving the age of 16 is capable of making crucial life decisions.
You see why that seems ridiculous?
The key is that you read the last line of the post. Then it should dawn on you that it was...
...wait for it...
...a joke!!
e: serious note, curious to know what makes you think, based on my 'general postings', that I condone rape?
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Whilst I see your point, they have to draw a line somewhere. Its the same reason the line is drawn at 18 at which point you become a legally an adult. I think it is a considered decision based on how our society works for the majority of people. Its not always going to be 100% spot on, but the safety net needs to be there, otherwise it would be open house for these kinds of relationships to prosper and, worse, people with odd sexual preferences (IE not the norm) to take advantage of young people and/or the system, which I think on a national level would be bad for the country. Can you imagine the kind of litigation that might develop if we removed that line in the sand? I think the Judicury would also come under a lot of heat from parents of 15 year olds if they should rule in favour of such a relationship.
Personally I think the law is about right, and rather than creating an open house, people like Mr. Forrest and Miss Stammer should play the sensible game if they truly want to be together, but even then I think it is likely to end badly.
I'm not saying a relationship like theirs cant work but I suspect the majority dont. Is it love? Perhaps, or perhaps he feels love and she thinks she is in love but it is nothing more than teenage infatuation.
Whatever the case, both parties have ruined what little chance they had, and thats only part of what has been ruined.
Overall, as a decision what they did has a massive benefit to detriment ratio and one that could have been reduced had they tried to be sensible. They only have themselves to blame in that regard.
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Thanks for clearing that up - I thought he might be allowed to become a teacher again after kidnapping one of his students
It wasn't meant to be sarcasm.
I was attempting, albeit poorly to try and highlight the fact that he was incredibly stupid and should have known it was wrong.She's not completely blameless either imo.
I think it's reasonable based on: neurological development, life experience and their living situation. I don't honestly consider a 15 year old capable of making decisions of such magnitude given the context and the high risk of psychological harm. I'm not so interested in the fact that the age of consent is 18 in law but from a legal perspective you do have to draw a line and I consider it entirely reasonable that a teacher running off with a naive 15 year old girl should be arrested, calling it a travesty is ridiculous, he's hardly a victim.
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During questioning Forrest is refusing to stick to the line of questioning. He keeps going off on a tangent.
What is wrong is the black/white, on/off, nature of law and prosecution.
15.99999 = "dirty pedo, hang him"
16.00000 = "carry on, then"
Why can't there be degrees? Shades of grey?
Under 14 = always a punishable offsense
Under 15 = punishable, but start to consider particulars of individual cases, development of girl in question
Under 16 = very grey area. common sense is usable. all cases evaluated purely on their own merit.
So keep the age of consent at 16, but consider that not all 15 year olds are vulnerable children who need adults to decide for them.
Even those numbers I have used are somewhat arbitrary. And that's why I see a need for a law which isn't so black/white, on/off as it apparently is.
France (15) and Germany (14) disagrees with you.
Is their understanding of neurological development so much worse than yours?
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Is it any less harmful for a sexually repressed 18 year old girl with low self esteem to toddle of to university, drink copious amounts of alcohol and get her breasts out jiggling at jumping jax, because she is suddenly 'of an age to comprehend the magnitude of her decisions'?. It seems thousands of such women missed the 'thats probably not a good idea' lesson along the way.
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The thing is the guy was a position of trust, So shouldn't of touched her at all till she was 18. He knew this and will have signed god knows how much stuff when he signed up to teach.
Does the average politician have a much worse understanding of neurology than I do? Certainly.
I also think you'll find France and Germany have abuse of trust laws which make it an offence to take advantage of "exploitative" (and other) situations similar to this.
You can't prohibit a legal adult from such such activity so it's a moot question really.
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So presumably all the neurologists in France and Germany are clamoring to have the age of consent laws raised, then, to match our "correct" age of 16?
Can we not agree that this seems to be a matter of opinion, and that opinion differs quite dramatically from country to country?
Therefore, being thrown in the slammer for having relations with a 15.999 year old would be a hard thing to accept, when in France or Germany she'd have been legal for several years?
And no, I'm not advocating this kind of behaviour, I'm just saying that throwing the book at this guy seems unreasonable when you look at the bigger picture.