Missing girl 15, runs off with Maths teacher.

You'll need to ask me a question that makes sense before I can answer it.

She can't make any decisions about running off with her teacher , she is 15.

There's no grey areas with it, or with the situation, it doesn't matter how you look at it or how you want or think the world works.

There aren't any grey areas...if you carefully avoid thinking. As for your bizarre assertion that she is totally mindless, literally as mindless as an inanimate object, that's such a weird thing to believe that I question your sanity.

On the basis of your posts, I conclude that you are much less able to make decisions than she is.

You can rationally argue that you think that her decisions are of no importance, but you can't rationally argue that she can't make any decisions. That would only be true if she was literally as mindless as an inanimate object.

Who benefits from this? To me, that's the key question. You may claim she does, but that's not true. Besides, even if you believed it, why would you care about someone you treat with such extreme contempt that you dismiss them as being a mindless object?

No grey areas my arse. It would be easy to pretend that there aren't and to some extent a functioning legal system needs to ignore them in favour of the obvious fiction of a fixed age of consent, but in reality there are big grey areas. Not only do you ignore them, you go a step further and pretend that everyone is utterly, totally mindless until they suddenly spontaneously develop a mind at whatever fairly arbitrary age the local legal system assigns. That's not reality.
 
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How does that work though? If I smoke weed in Amsterdam (when it was legal) can I be prosecuted like I could for smoking it in the UK?

Already been posted... and reposted only a couple of pages back

No. It is not a blanket law.

There is a specific part of the SOA 2003 that enables the prosecution of people from the UK if they committed an offence in contravention of SOA 2003 within another country as if they had committed it within the UK.

s.72 SOA 2003 - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/72

You cannot be prosecuted by the UK if you do things in another country that are illegal or not illegal in said country but are illegal within the UK.

Sex offences are different as they put this into the Sexual Offences Act 2003 to stop sex tourism.



Not directed specifically at you Dabbles but I don't know why people cannot read threads, or even the last couple of pages if the thread is long, before they post. In fact, this thread would probably be half the length if people didn't keep asking or stating the same point over and over and over and over.

How many times have we had the following asked/stated and answered within the thread?

"but it's not illegal in France"
"She went willingly, why is it abduction?"
"if he had only waited till she was 16"

I think they were all answered in the first 5 pages at most!
 
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For the law you have to have a line. Yes in reality its a grey area, tbh Iddon't have an issue with this case morally. But the line is appropriate where it is. I guess I'm saying some 15 yo are more mature than some 17yos

Fyi not a paedo lol
 
Wow! Funny that now they've been found this story has been dropped like a hot potato, BBC news is like it never happened!

Yesterday they were reporting as one of their main headlines the fact that she was on a plane and then had got off a plane (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-18204401) - they've not dropped it, they just have literally nothing left to report after scraping the barrel completely empty.

As soon as something else remotely 'new' appears then it'll be back to the main headlines again with an article that reads almost identically to the others they've published so far but with an extra new paragraph in it.
 
Wow! Funny that now they've been found this story has been dropped like a hot potato, BBC news is like it never happened!

I was sitting in my Mums house yesterday at 5pm and she had BBC News (CH80) on and the coverage was non stop so I don't know what you're looking at.
Besides the video stories the scrolling ticker tape at the bottom was non stop with their story.
 
You'll need to ask me a question that makes sense before I can answer it.

She can't make any decisions about running off with her teacher , she is 15.

There's no grey areas with it, or with the situation, it doesn't matter how you look at it or how you want or think the world works.

Lol so according to you one day she is a mindless halfwit who cannot make decisions for her self, then the next day on her 16 birthday she will suddenly by a normal completely functional human capable of making her own decisions



Yeah that makes perfect sense
 
He has 30 years of experience and she 15, which means that he has taken advantage even if he is allegedly in love with her. He knows better, he for whatever reasons has been foolish for he knows the law and the position of responsibilty he is in. Stupid bloke who has ultimately taken advanatge of an inexperienced mind.

simple as that regardless of anything else he has done. Betrayal of trust and beguiling the inexperienced.
 
he has taken advantage... has been foolish for he knows the law and the position of responsibilty he is in. Stupid bloke who has ultimately taken advanatge of an inexperienced mind.

simple as that regardless of anything else he has done. Betrayal of trust and beguiling the inexperienced.

Ah I'm glad we have someone here who knows the intimate details of this case - that the teacher initiated it, that the relationship was unequal, one-sided and based on abuse of power. Poor girl!

We needn't think about this any further, since now we know it's all the teacher's fault; he was leading on the poor innocent child and manipulating her fragile, pure mind. Totally against her will (actually she doesn't have a will, she's 15. She's completely mindless. Needs adults to think for her and take care of her.)
 
There aren't any grey areas...if you carefully avoid thinking. As for your bizarre assertion that she is totally mindless, literally as mindless as an inanimate object, that's such a weird thing to believe that I question your sanity.

On the basis of your posts, I conclude that you are much less able to make decisions than she is.

You can rationally argue that you think that her decisions are of no importance, but you can't rationally argue that she can't make any decisions. That would only be true if she was literally as mindless as an inanimate object.

Who benefits from this? To me, that's the key question. You may claim she does, but that's not true. Besides, even if you believed it, why would you care about someone you treat with such extreme contempt that you dismiss them as being a mindless object?

No grey areas my arse. It would be easy to pretend that there aren't and to some extent a functioning legal system needs to ignore them in favour of the obvious fiction of a fixed age of consent, but in reality there are big grey areas. Not only do you ignore them, you go a step further and pretend that everyone is utterly, totally mindless until they suddenly spontaneously develop a mind at whatever fairly arbitrary age the local legal system assigns. That's not reality.

No, like others who are hard of thinking in this discussion you are struggling with the point I'm making.

She can want and decide what ever she wants to, unfortunately for her and him, the law says otherwise.

Its that simple.

Or to put it another way, I feel like shagging some 15 year olds, so long as they say yes and want it, its ok?

Is that what you are saying?

Good news everyone Angilion here has decided its open season on 15 year olds.

Thinking harder about it, why didnt I start driving at 16? or leave school at 14? or voting at 17?

Its staggering just how stupid some of you are sometimes.
 
Good news everyone Angilion here has decided its open season on 15 year olds.

Angilion for President!

:p

Anyway, back to reality, there's no concrete evidence that they had sex, is there? However likely or unlikely, the only charge atm is abduction, so I thought?
 
She can want and decide what ever she wants to, unfortunately for her and him, the law says otherwise.
It depends. If she makes a decision to cover up sexual activity with her teacher, then she has made a decision and done what she wanted, despite not being 16. The law doesn't have anything to say in that situation.
 
he is 30 and in a postion of trust and has life experience - she is 15 and has little experience of life and parents dont expect their kids to go to school runaway in term time with a teacher. Therefore he has been about as unprofessional as you can be. Now his life is in ruins and hers will be fine as she will most likely forget, but of course when she is 16 she can go back to him if she so chooses - lets see there eh

its a total breach of confidence - he is unfortunately solely to blame and yes she is innocent regardess Foxeye - how can she know any different at 15 when he knew the score I am sure.

What a fool even if he was in love with her.

On some of the other points - she has been for medical checks - could involve looking for signs of things mention here.
 
Angilion for President!

:p

Anyway, back to reality, there's no concrete evidence that they had sex, is there? However likely or unlikely, the only charge atm is abduction, so I thought?

If the 2 of them say there was no sexual conduct then yes, the charge would just be child abduction. Would that result in a custodial sentence? Perhaps not.
 
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Are you as stupid and deceitful as you're claiming to be, or are you just trolling? Your posts aren't even consistent with each other, let alone with other people's posts or reality. That indicates trolling, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and allow for the possibility that you're genuinely as bad as you're claiming to be.

So, which is it? Sad liar of limited intelligence or troll?
 
I'm guessing most of the people who want him locked up have daughters and are in "defensive dad" mode.

So taking someone else's 15 year old daughter abroad without their consent is ok? Especially when you're in a position of trust (a teacher no less) and you are photographed with your arm round her and holding her hand? :confused::eek:
 
He has 30 years of experience and she 15, which means that he has taken advantage even if he is allegedly in love with her. He knows better, he for whatever reasons has been foolish for he knows the law and the position of responsibilty he is in. Stupid bloke who has ultimately taken advanatge of an inexperienced mind.

simple as that regardless of anything else he has done. Betrayal of trust and beguiling the inexperienced.

Holy crap, I just realised my other half is abusing me! She is 15 years older than me can I have her arrested? I am abused, help me.... I never knew until now...?!
 
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