Actually I didn't say largest or smallest or anything...you did.
And Spain do not have a larger total active/regular reserve than the UK, neither do Germany or Italy for that matter.
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Actually I didn't say largest or smallest or anything...you did.
And Spain do not have a larger total active/regular reserve than the UK, neither do Germany or Italy for that matter.
Your missing the point, Read what i typed and think about it and who said anything about cost, Like i said your missing the point, Well i wouldnt say missing it, I would say more overlooking the point.
UK Active Military Personnel 224,500 Active Military Reserves 187,130
Spain Military Personnel 177,000 Active Military Reserves 377,800
Germany Military Personnel 148,996 Active Military Reserves 355,000
Spain has Aircraft Carriers 2 UK has 1
Infact Turkey has the largest army in Europe.
Or Russia
But i'm looking at Western Europe
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Source? And if it is GlobalFirepower.com as I suspect it is then you should be aware that their figures are generally regarded as inaccurate and as far as Reserves are concerned they include factors such as Irregular Citizen Reserves (where conscription exists it uses the figure of Manpower reaching Active Service age 18-49 annually) and Militarized Civilian Police Forces. I refered to Regular Reserves, which are Operational Reserves and not to be confused with Irregular Civilian Reserves.
Spain in particular has a large civilian Militarized Police Force and it actual military reserve is in fact very small, another problem with the GFP information is that is woefully out of date in many cases, for example in 1990 Italy could field active reserves of over 240k and yet in 2010 that figure is more like 38k. This true of other nations such as Germany and particularly Spain, this is largely because both Spain and Germany has ended conscription (Germany recently, Spain in 2001) and the figures do not accurately represent the reality today. (Spain, according to the IISS has reserves of approx 76k as of 2010), Spain in 1989 could field over a million trained reserves..today that figure is around 200k if you include the Civil Guard and volunteer Force. Spain's total military personnel is expected to fall to 80k by 2013 as military budgets are slashed.
Germany and its Bundeswehr has reserves far below what you quoted, and are comparable with the UK, although their actual military is smaller overall.
Finland has the largest Regular Reserve in Europe with around 250k reservists (conscription)
Also If you read Military Balance, an annual publication by the International Institute of Strategic Studies, Germany for example had a total active reserve of 144k as of 2010, not the 355k you referenced above and you will have a far more up to date and accurate picture of the strength of the respective Global Militaries.
Also it should be pointed out that military strength doesn't lie in numbers, but effectiveness.
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I described how the NHS works in my post above. It appears to have gone straight over your head. Some people pay more in taxes towards the NHS than they use, others pay very little or nothing.
Read this nice a slowly so it sinks in: "The NHS is free at the point of entry."
I'm wasting my time here. This thread has proven you don't have a clue about anything, I just can't decide if it is genuine ignorance or genuine stupidity. The former seems more likely now.
Worst "I copied the first few words of text into Google so I could discredit the source and pretend I didn't know where it was from" post ever.
like to see a link from you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
another source
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You still don't understand do you go look up free rider then come back.
I'd imagine by a simple weighted count of units across all services the French forces are more numerous, but, as you say, 'larger' doesn't tell you very much - it's about effectiveness.
I would say if you look at the total ability of our nation to defend and attack we are position one in Europe, and certainly in the upper echelons globally.
Do you have a source for how those numbers are calculated proving comparability?
Check out the note for France - ^ The active personnel of France includes National Gendarmerie, a military institution part of French Armed Forces.
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Some people may abuse the NHS, but its still a free service for everyone, something we should be proud of. I suppose you think that every hospital should have a Dr Kelso who treats the thing as a business and doesn't give a damn about the patients who aren't loaded?
Everyone who pays for taxes in This country will pay for the NHS. What's so damn difficult to understand abut that?
I have given you examples of those that do not pay taxes that go towards the NHS.
Don't you worry it becoming like that, I can give many examples, and it's going to get worse, the NHS is being privitised via the back door. If you want the NHS to be free then you need put aside liberal fascism and start to talk about immigration.
I would start buy introducing a NHS fee when they buy visas, then It would only cover accidents not cover organ desease etc.. only after years of being here then it woudl cover it.
Did you know Liverpool Care Pathway they were giving money to put the old onto it as it saved them money, hospitals were given cash too kill.
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There you go with 'liberal facisim' again. What does that mean? The two words contradict each other
Look it up and you'll understand.
If I talk about immigration I get called a racist, this si a very vague example read up on Orwell and G. K. Chesterton. Its about closing down a realist with powerfull negative connotations that sound good but in reality cause problem/wars.
For example Lefts think that by integration cultures they will get rid of wars, in fact it creates wars, they think by privatising they are wiping their hands from responsibility so it does not look bad on a liberal government.
Example welfare system was working for 50 years then when they start to outsource it the bills start to rise, its about shifting blame to others closing down any arguments by brainwashing the population with certain words, 80 years ago someone very famous did the same.
Why do we have wars with other nations to make them better, yet they become worse and some how the population migrates to those nations that started it? then in order to cover the failures they start to come out with multi culture nation etc.. anyone questioning it is racist.
Are we not making their lands safer? If we are then why are they coming here? our borders need to close, but ask any of these questions and you are racist.
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I gave you the sources I used..they are not available online, but you can purchase them if you so wish or if you can read Spanish/German then you can probably go to their equivalent .Gov pages to gain the information....(in fact the wiki article references older information than I pointed you to regards the IISS data sets)
http://www.iiss.org/publications/military-balance/the-military-balance-2012/
also you didn't understand anything I said did you?...Like PMKeates points out as well, it is how those figures are calculated that gives a non-comparable figure..(I won't mention that your wiki link contradicts you with regard several of your figures), or that you contradicted yourself regards France and then Spain......the wiki article points out that many countries include civilian and police forces in their military reserve figures and I explained this in my post, you either didn't read it or didn't understand it.
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More importantly perhaps, focus on those who waste the resources of the NHS. People who get themselves (and others) hurt when drunk, and those who turn up at A&E with minor issues that can wait.
Immigration is a non-issue. There are hundreds of thousands of British citizens working all over the world. We human beings are migratory animals. You seem to propose a world that stifles progress, and unjustly labels other fellow humans as some how alien, without rights, and so when their (artificial) 'country' suffers famine, then so be it, they'll just have to die. The living standard we enjoy here is unsustainable, and perhaps soon we might be in need ourselves, hopefully by then people like you won't be around, otherwise we certainly won't last very long.
Immigration is a non-issue. There are hundreds of thousands of British citizens working all over the world. We human beings are migratory animals. You seem to propose a world that stifles progress, and unjustly labels other fellow humans as some how alien, without rights, and so when their (artificial) 'country' suffers famine, then so be it, they'll just have to die. The living standard we enjoy here is unsustainable, and perhaps soon we might be in need ourselves, hopefully by then people like you won't be around, otherwise we certainly won't last very long.