UKIP Foster Parents Screwed

[arknor]

All the Londoners I talk to think multiculturalism has failed. It's become a justification for establishing communities which are hostile to outsiders. Ie there are places in London where you dare not enter unless you are Asian, etc.

Thankfully there's nothing like that down here.

But if that's the case, it's no wonder that people are turning to UKIP and the Tories (who also say multiculturalism has failed).

I can certainly see the difference between that and being racist.

multiculuralism = people claiming areas as there own and being hostile to outsiders.

theres loads of areas in nottingham where you dont go unless your black and a lot of areas in newcastle now where you get funny looks if your not asian or russian.

councils are just as bad sticking groups into areas together rather than spreading them around and making people mix

 

[semi-pro waster]

The fact that they interviewed someone involved who had an alarmingly long time to stress the importance of other factors to be taken into account, yet said nothing along those lines, doesn't bode particularly well.

I'm not trying to awkward, I'm just saying there are reasons to not be unduly sceptical

Like I say you could be right, I'm just inclined to think that as with many legal cases the difference between what is actually reported and the full evidence can be significant.

All the Londoners I talk to think multiculturalism has failed. It's become a justification for establishing communities which are hostile to outsiders. Ie there are places in London where you dare not enter unless you are Asian, etc.

I guess I'm a Londoner since I've lived here for the past few years, talk to me. I like living in a diverse city and generally find that if you treat people with respect then that will be reciprocated. I'm not going to try and tell you that there are no problems here or that some people don't feel as if multiculturalism has failed but then those people might well view anyone who doesn't look like them as a threat irrespective of what they are actually like.

 

[Biohazard]

The council should apologise, and the social work department should be reviewed in terms of the decision making process that came to this very wrong, unfair and judgemental situation.

The fact that they are looking after a child that is by the councils description not indigenous british white, without any apparent complaint or problem with their care or conduct..

Disgusting.

 

[Craterloads]

multiculuralism = people claiming areas as there own and being hostile to outsiders.

theres loads of areas in nottingham where you dont go unless your black and a lot of areas in newcastle now where you get funny looks if your not asian or russian.

councils are just as bad sticking groups into areas together rather than spreading them around and making people mix

Theres are 100x as many areas in the UK you dont go unless you're white.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I think people need to realise that the council have a legal duty to ensure the children's cultural needs are being met under the Childrens Act, 1989 & 2004 and the framework for the assessment of children in need.

If you actually listen to the interview, they didnt just removed them because of UKIP they placed them in foster care where these needs will be met, maintaining cultural and original ethnic upbrining is crucial to child development. So perhaps before branding the social workers idiots, people need to actually listen to what is said. Social work invokes complex practice decisions, as said on BBC this morning they said it was a practice decision and not political.

I would expect them to say is was a practice decision. They will hardly say it was political.

For the record UKIP want to dismantle multi-culturalism and as such this is borderline racist, UKIP is just a legitimate vehicle for the far right. Yet again the retarded media have only focused on one issue, it is very unlikely that this was the only issue involved in the decision to place the children elsewhere

It's also a vehicle for disgruntled voters which may well include the two foster carers.

I don't believe for a second that the person exists without political sway or prejudice. Social workers, politicians, police, doctors .... the list goes on. The real acid test is if those sways and prejudices can be left at the door when a job needs doing and that seems to have been overlooked here.

 

[FoxEye]

Theres are 100x as many areas in the UK you dont go unless you're white.

That's not any better (but sounds blatantly made-up anyhow).

Ideally anyone should be able to go anywhere in any city without any fear of reprisals based purely on ethnicity.

Having communities which are "off limits" to others is wrong, no matter who it is.

It's doubly wrong if they don't identify as being British, or don't want to be. Why should people be carving out their own little areas of this country, and seeking to be separate (when it suits them) from the rest of us?

 

[rare]

This 'decision' is disgraceful. Liberal fascism at its worst, Hurfdurf I am literally flabbergasted at the comments you make. UKIP is not a racist party and their membership has no bearing on their ability to foster children. So what, they are only allowed to foster white children now? Pathetic.

I don't even blame the council for making the decision, they are probably scared to death of putting a foot wrong and its backfired on them, the problem is the society we have created, common sense and freedom of political thought have been stamped out.

 

[SpeedFreak]

You sound like a bunch of racism apologists

edit: you'll only get this if you've been in the Savile thread.

 

[SlyReaper]

UKIP are not nazis, nor are they BNP or anything like that. I disagree with their policies, but they're hardly the apoplectic frothing maniacs you'd want to deny foster children to. As right wing parties go, they're pretty reasonable.

When did racism enter into the equation? As far as I'm aware, UKIP are not racist. They want to break away from the EU, which happens to be inhabited predominantly by white people. How is that racist? As for their policies on immigration, there are perfectly sound non-racist reasons for wanting to limit immigration. I don't necessarily agree with them, but that doesn't make them racist.

Frankly, this smacks of thought-crime. People being punished for political opinions which run counter to the establishment. Since when did that become acceptable?

 

[mmj_uk]

UKIP are becoming a threat to the LIBLABCON hegemony so I'm not suprised to see them being stigmatised as a racist party in attempt to scare voters, we can't have a party being elected that is willing to put its own people ahead of globalisation.

 

[Meridian]

UKIP are becoming a threat to the LIBLABCON hegemony

Hardly. I assume from the fact you said it that you are a supporter? At best they are stealing Tory votes. Any other votes are between elections protest votes, which will go straight back to the mainstream parties come the next General Election. Are they racist? They're certainly Little Englander zenophopes, but that's not quite the same thing (I'm talking about the paid-up members, not the protest voters). There's no clear line between the two, and the old joke that UKIP is the respectable middle-class wing of the EDF has a certain element of truth to it with some of them.

However...

Whenever I read a story like this it's hard to hear anything over the sound of axes being ground. As is usually the case we are hearing only a very small part of why this decision was made. The discussions are confidential, and thus we may never find out exactly why these parents had this decision taken against them. But I seriously doubt it was as simple as just them being in UKIP.

 

[Judgeneo]

Hardly. I assume from the fact you said it that you are a supporter?

They won't ever be elected, but they are definitely changing British politics. They now have more support than the lib dems in opinion polls. Not to mention they were second in the European elections.

 

[elmarko]

I don't think giving care of foreign children to members of the "send em back" brigade" is the best idea.

I'm not sure which planet you guys are living on, but the average UKIP voter is at least midly racist (obviously not all of them) - just spend a couple of minutes with one.

 

[dowie]

I don't think giving care of foreign children to members of the "send em back" brigade" is the best idea.

I'm not sure which planet you guys are living on, but the average UKIP voter is at least midly racist (obviously not all of them) - just spend a couple of minutes with one.

If they were so racist then why were they perfectly willing to give up their time to care for children of another ethnicity?

The only bigotry I can see here is the assumption that a white couple who happen to be members of UKIP are racist. Its not the BNP, and even if they do agree with UKIPs stance that immigration policy needs to change that doesn't necessarily make them racist. For all we know they might just be very euro-skeptic which is, after all, UKIPs raison d'etre.

 

[scorza]

I don't think giving care of foreign children to members of the "send em back" brigade" is the best idea.

I'm not sure which planet you guys are living on, but the average UKIP voter is at least midly racist (obviously not all of them) - just spend a couple of minutes with one.

Dismissing UKIP as racists doesn't help the cause. Being anti-EU and anti-immigration are legitimate political views that people shouldn't be censured for holding. Although in this case it's clearly incompetence and not mal-intent, it's pretty outrageous for political views to be taken into account. Imagine if a Tory controlled council barred Labour party members from fostering.

 

[elmarko]

Dismissing UKIP as racists doesn't help the cause. Being anti-EU and anti-immigration are legitimate political views that people shouldn't be censured for holding. Although in this case it's clearly incompetence and not mal-intent, it's pretty outrageous for political views to be taken into account. Imagine if a Tory controlled council barred Labour party members from fostering.

Political views on minorities (when fostering minority children) should be taken into account - ss should religious views on homesexuality when fostering children (who may be gay).

The welfare of the child is more important than denying a few potential foster parents.

 

[arknor]

I don't think giving care of foreign children to members of the "send em back" brigade" is the best idea.

I'm not sure which planet you guys are living on, but the average UKIP voter is at least midly racist (obviously not all of them) - just spend a couple of minutes with one.

what a bunch of cobblers..

they dont want to send anyone back they want to put a control on who is allowed into the country based on the benefits they bring or the skills they have.

which is what a lot of other countries do aswell...

labour opened the flood gates and let anyone in seeking asylum and completely ruined large areas of the country by doing so because people didnt integrate into society they wanted to create their own mini society.

 

[rare]

I'm not sure which planet you guys are living on, but the average UKIP voter is at least midly racist (obviously not all of them) - just spend a couple of minutes with one.

Load of rubbish. This is the sort of nonsense that people opposed to UKIP bring out on a constant basis as a means to slander the party and its members, yet there is no proof of any generalised racism. The party is growing, a lot of people who used to vote conservative will vote for UKIP. There is no proof that the party is racist, at worst it seeks to halt immigration which under labour and the conservatives has grown out of all proportion.

 

[StriderX]

We are all racists to a degree, its simply apart of the current culture we have had to grow up with, thank goodness it is not as bad as previously, however it was only a few decades ago that the most potent nation gave non-white folk the right to do just about anything.

You may deny it all you like, it is simply better to accept it and move on.

People who are offended by a racial remark who aren't even the ones that its aimed at really irritate me, as a note.

 

[dowie]

aside from the ridiculous assumption that this couple are racist or want to 'send 'em back' when they've given up their time to welcome these children into their home it also seems that they were sensitive to the cultural background of the kids.

She insisted they felt they were meeting the cultural needs of the three children.

"We were actively encouraging these children to speak their own language... we enjoyed singing one of their folk songs in their native language.

"Having been told of the religious denomination of these children - we took steps to ensure that a school of their denomination was found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20476654