Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England

desires said:
So gays have to have their way or it's discrimination which is apparently bad but forcing a religion to do something it doesn't want to do is good discrimination?
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The church was never going to be forced to marry gay couples. It had been given that assurance a long time ago.

But again making it unique, the only institution where sexual and sexuality discrimination is legal.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
BBC link here

I thought England was a progressive country...I'm absolutely shocked and furious at this decision. I feel like we're stepping back into the Middle Ages, and, frankly, I think it's against human rights to be banned from marriage in a certain location. Reading the news before today I had been thinking that today would be the day that this farce would be turned around....apparently I was too optimistic in thinking that the church could accept people's differing choices.

Edit: Made a mistake, CofE isn't at fault here. Still shocking though, good on them for opposing it, however.
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Why should the Church or any religious group for that matter be forced to allow or accept gay marriage?
What about the rights and beliefs of the people who don't agree with it?
 
Glaucus said:
CoE can't opt in, it is illegal, all the other religions/church's can opt in, but not Coe.
Or at least what I read earlier anyway.
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The way I read it ... and I may be wrong (unlikely but possible ;)) but...

Though CofE was mentioned, the actual law wouldn't say "lolz no CofE", but that their had to be consensus by the whole churches organisation, regardless of faith.

So you couldn't have the CofE, or whatever, deciding at top level to deny gay marriage, but a few CofE (or whatever) individual churches allowing it.

Basically, the government has to introduce laws to prevent the church from collapsing in on itself. Because even within CofE that can't all agree.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Yes but without opting in gay marriage is illegal. Just madness.
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What?
That a terrible interpretation or misrepresentation.
Is this active trolling or are you seriously dismayed?


I don't see the fuss, civil partnerships exist and are legally binding, if your Church won't let you 'Marry' then it isn't your Church, go find one that fits with your own thoughts, or start one.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
BBC link here

I thought England was a progressive country...I'm absolutely shocked and furious at this decision. I feel like we're stepping back into the Middle Ages, and, frankly, I think it's against human rights to be banned from marriage in a certain location. Reading the news before today I had been thinking that today would be the day that this farce would be turned around....apparently I was too optimistic in thinking that the church could accept people's differing choices.

Edit: Made a mistake, CofE isn't at fault here. Still shocking though, good on them for opposing it, however.
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Glad to hear it and long may it last. What you're saying doesn't make sense, how is it ok to support the human rights of gays yet not the human rights of people that adhere to a faith that doesn't accept homosexuality, it works both ways. They can get married if they wish elsewhere.
 
Glaucus said:
CoE can't opt in, it is illegal, all the other religions/church's can opt in, but not Coe.
Or at least what I read earlier anyway.
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That's what I thought too, imo Cameron's stitched up the CofE - probably for the debacle over women bishops. One thing's for sure though, the CofE will be marrying gay couples long before the RC church is.

Giles Fraser, who resigned as Canon Chancellor of St Paul’s Cathedral over the police treatment of Occupy protesters, tweeted: “So it will now be illegal for me to marry two people who [with] live each other. Now there is a cause worth going to prison for.”
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Woden said:
The way I read it ... and I may be wrong (unlikely but possible ;)) but...

Though CofE was mentioned, the actual law wouldn't say "lolz no CofE", but that their had to be consensus by the whole churches organisation, regardless of faith.

So you couldn't have the CofE, or whatever, deciding at top level to deny gay marriage, but a few CofE (or whatever) individual churches allowing it.

Basically, the government has to introduce laws to prevent the church from collapsing in on itself. Because even within CofE that can't all agree.
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No, the law does specifically mention CoE, read my edit, if you missed it. There a four locks. The last lock is banning CoE specifically.
 
Glaucus said:
No, the law does specifically mention CoE, read my edit, if you missed it. There a four locks. The last lock is banning CoE specifically.
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Wouldn't that be illegal under both EU and UN directives? It is literlary a law locking out a specific religion.
 
There should be a maxim of separation of church and state like the US. Making it illegal for the CoE to marry people they want to, should they want to? Who are they harming exactly?
 
I would have rather seen it illegal to disallow any institution to discriminate simply because I would love to see Nick Griffin gay marry someone in a mosque.
 
Raymond Lin said:
There should be a maxim of separation of church and state like the US. Making it illegal for the CoE to marry people they want to, should they want to? Who are they harming exactly?
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With the other lock saying religions have to opt in, I just can't see why it's needed, or what it achieves.
I don't think the opt in one should be in their either. I mean they're are safeguarded from discrimination etc anyway. So surly they could just fire a priest who went against them and married same sex couple.
 
Raymond Lin said:
There should be a maxim of separation of church and state like the US.
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We literally have the opposite at the moment, the Queen is Supreme Governor of the Church of England :p

And when it comes down to it, the US is far more religious than the UK. Religion is almost invisible in British daily life.
 
The issue I have, primarily, is that the C of E have, and would have further, a religious precedent to discriminate against anyone, despite the church not wanting people to discriminate against it. Very obviously hypocritical.
 
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