Being Fat / Getting Fat..

[Skillmister]

Now let me give you an example of people who go through sustained starvation through low calories. The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

Starvation=/=fasting.

I am pretty certain they were not given sufficient calories in total, therefore including the term fasting in that is irrelevant.

Infact **** it the fact you even thought that was a reasonable argument leaves me no choice.. I'm out.

 

[Freefaller]

Okay. Lets look at this anecdotally.

I used to cycle a lot of miles and would certainly classify myself as an athlete (when I was younger). Without carbs and large amounts of food (before, during and after the ride), my performance suffered. This actually happened. You NEED carbs to replenish glycogen reserves to use during exercise. The same goes for water, during serious exercise. My endurance rides would typically last 5-6 hours (continuously on the bike).

Lets take a look at the Tour de France cyclists. After each day, they load up on carbs. They also have injections of vitamins and other potions. Intravenous drips are common, between days. Why? Because if the glycogen reserves are not replenished over night, their performance will seriously degrade as the days wear on. They cannot starve themselves.

Lets take a look at the World strongest men (those guys who enter competitons). These guys need 1000s of calories per day. This huge calorie consumption is common with all the competitors. And to consume these calories they cannot starve themselves at any point in the day. It is this huge calorie ingestion which allows them to maintain their performance and work their muscles at full power.

Now let me give you an example of people who go through sustained starvation through low calories. The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

I've given you 3 examples of athletes performing at their best when fully carbed/fueled. I've given you 1 example of what happens when somebody doesnt eat properly.

Give me a counter argument please...and have fun while breaking down my reasoning

PS. for people posting in this thread, please don't get emotional when replying - this is a public forum and you should expect to read opinions which disagree with your own. If you are getting emotional, then its best to unsubscribe to the thread.

Oh my...

I love this forum sometimes

 

[Somnambulist]

Lions eat three square meals before they go off to chase and wrestle down prey hamirite.

Hey Martin Berkhan, stop training fasted... it's impossible to make strength and size gains! You'll just waste away into nothingness! All of those success stories on your site and around BB.com and RippedBody and the rest of web are your troll accounts, we know your secret. None of the hyperlinks to peer reviewed journal entries and studies work.

...oh wait, they're real people and the links work, and in fact someone is very wrong on the internet.

Also lol@armchair nutritionist vs thick, tight, solid, juicy Gym Rats members (forever mirin') who know this stuff off by heart.

 

[Skillmister]

thick, tight, solid, juicy Gym Rats members (forever mirin')

I appreciate all your comments <3

 

[Freefaller]

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Okay. Lets look at this anecdotally.

I used to cycle a lot of miles and would certainly classify myself as an athlete (when I was younger). Without carbs and large amounts of food (before, during and after the ride), my performance suffered. This actually happened. You NEED carbs to replenish glycogen reserves to use during exercise. The same goes for water, during serious exercise. My endurance rides would typically last 5-6 hours (continuously on the bike).

Lets take a look at the Tour de France cyclists. After each day, they load up on carbs. They also have injections of vitamins and other potions. Intravenous drips are common, between days. Why? Because if the glycogen reserves are not replenished over night, their performance will seriously degrade as the days wear on. They cannot starve themselves.

Lets take a look at the World strongest men (those guys who enter competitons). These guys need 1000s of calories per day. This huge calorie consumption is common with all the competitors. And to consume these calories they cannot starve themselves at any point in the day. It is this huge calorie ingestion which allows them to maintain their performance and work their muscles at full power.

Now let me give you an example of people who go through sustained starvation through low calories. The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

I've given you 3 examples of athletes performing at their best when fully carbed/fueled. I've given you 1 example of what happens when somebody doesnt eat properly.

Give me a counter argument please...and have fun while breaking down my reasoning

PS. for people posting in this thread, please don't get emotional when replying - this is a public forum and you should expect to read opinions which disagree with your own. If you are getting emotional, then its best to unsubscribe to the thread.

Have you ever had an IQ test or anything? i feel like you might be entitled to some benefits or maybe your relatives could get a carers allowance or something? Just saying, be a shame if you were missing out.

 

[deusexlumina]

Alcohol is metabolized directly by the brain so the extra calories are dissipated out of your head as heat instead of being made in to fat atoms, so you can drink as much as you like (with in reason) with out getting fat. Thats why saint bernard rescue dogs carry brandy.

I hate to break it to you but "fat" isnt an element.

Also, the rest of your post is wrong.

 

[icecold]

Let me grade your response thusly:

Okay. Lets look at this anecdotally.

Sure!

I used to cycle a lot of miles and would certainly classify myself as an athlete (when I was younger). Without carbs and large amounts of food (before, during and after the ride), my performance suffered. This actually happened. You NEED carbs to replenish glycogen reserves to use during exercise. The same goes for water, during serious exercise. My endurance rides would typically last 5-6 hours (continuously on the bike).

Cool, as long as you realise that using a sample size n=1 to make assertions only makes you look silly.

Oh, right, we're being anecdotal...

Lets take a look at the Tour de France cyclists. After each day, they load up on carbs. They also have injections of vitamins and other potions. Intravenous drips are common, between days. Why? Because if the glycogen reserves are not replenished over night, their performance will seriously degrade as the days wear on. They cannot starve themselves.

Struggling to come up with an argument related to your limited experience, perhaps?

1) After each fast, you can also load up on carbs...

2) Who said that you don't need carbs for endurance events?

3) Did I suggest fasting for elite endurance athletes?

Lets take a look at the World strongest men (those guys who enter competitons). These guys need 1000s of calories per day. This huge calorie consumption is common with all the competitors. And to consume these calories they cannot starve themselves at any point in the day. It is this huge calorie ingestion which allows them to maintain their performance and work their muscles at full power.

That's borderline funny

I going to suggest that you have absolutely no idea about what it takes, nutritionally or otherwise, to support an athlete's ability to perform optimally and at "full power".

Does that directly refute your point? No, but you're still wrong

Now let me give you an example of people who go through sustained starvation through low calories. The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

Wow! That is totally ridiculous! Bravo, Sir.

I've given you 3 examples of athletes performing at their best when fully carbed/fueled. I've given you 1 example of what happens when somebody doesnt eat properly.

Well, no, you didn't.

But when you did, it was irrelevant.

Give me a counter argument please...and have fun while breaking down my reasoning

To conclude:

2/10, would not debate with

 

[Nitefly]

All this talk about nourishment :/

What this thread needs is NURISHMENT \o/

 

[kwerk]

I hate to break it to you but "fat" isnt an element.

Also, the rest of your post is wrong.

proof it.

An interesting fact is that's where the tradition of taking off your hat indoors comes from. Back in olden times people would remove their hats while drinking because of the alcoholistic heating of the head, and it became custom to remove hats when you enter a building.

 

[kwerk]

It's not starvation until you start digesting your own organs IMO. That's where anorexics and the like run in to problems.

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

proof it.

An interesting fact is that's where the tradition of taking off your hat indoors comes from. Back in olden times people would remove their hats while drinking because of the alcoholistic heating of the head, and it became custom to remove hats when you enter a building.

Thats not true, they take it off cos its safe inside from the brain control clouds outside. These clouds were hunted to extinction in the 60's and 70's and few cultures still cling to protective hat wearing.

 

[v0n]

No one has ignored your arguments, they've just told you that you are completely wrong, which you are. You are self defeatist and delusional in regards to your ability to lose weight. If however you are happy being overweight then that's fine, but don't tell lies as to the reason and don't perpetuate myths that will discourage other people.

You do it again. "Delusional in regards to your ability to lose weight". It is not about my weight or me losing weight. Everything I post is easily verifiable on hundreds of sites. There is no point of arguing that most dieters fail and it's not perpetuating myths. In facts it's not even up for vote. They do fail and quite clearly vast majority of adults in the nation struggle with being overweight. And it wont change just because you think any 140kg person could just stand up one day and run on 1600 calories. Do you think they wouldn't? Please don't be ignorant.

 

[v0n]

Mobile phone. Double post.

 

[Richdog]

Worst: "Haha fatties, I eat a lot of junk food and don't get fat" thread ever. All that was missing was a properly worded title.

 

[godinman]

You do it again. "Delusional in regards to your ability to lose weight". It is not about my weight or me losing weight. Everything I post is easily verifiable on hundreds of sites. There is no point of arguing that most dieters fail and it's not perpetuating myths. In facts it's not even up for vote. They do fail and quite clearly vast majority of adults in the nation struggle with being overweight. And it wont change just because you think any 140kg person could just stand up one day and run on 1600 calories. Do you think they wouldn't? Please don't be ignorant.

When did I say to run on 1600 calories? I just made a rough meal plan (the sports arena guys would make you a proper one if you asked I'm sure) showing that 2k calories is actually a reasonably large amount of food if you don't eat rubbish, and said that you don't need to go mental with the exercise (I didn't even aim that bit at you).

You've basically said, 'Yeah, but 2k calories is only a stick of lard, battered and smothered in chocolate, how can I survive on that?!' (ok, maybe you said a massive bag of peanuts, or a take out meal, but the point still stands).

I should point out that I don't actually care about you, as you say, you're happy being overweight, that's fine. But you are simply wrong about the sort of food you need to eat to maintain a weight.

 

[OspreyO]

There's so much bull **** in this thread i've lost track of who i'm actually supposed to be disagreeing with.....

LOL.

 

[Saundie]

It's amazingly depressing how quickly these threads degenerate into mudslinging.

You're all a shower of ignorant ********, by the way.

 

[Matutu]

Amazing how this thread has gone down hill so quickly!

I would just add I think abig problem of people getting/being fat is the acceptance/denial of it. These days people are so unsure what to say and what you can say its incredible. If your fat then expect to be called FAT as your are!

I wish more people did to me when I was 21stone instead of family etc, saying your just built big etc etc. I was fat end of! Once I realised that I did something about it!

 

[manic_man]

Amazing how this thread has gone down hill so quickly!

I would just add I think abig problem of people getting/being fat is the acceptance/denial of it. These days people are so unsure what to say and what you can say its incredible. If your fat then expect to be called FAT as your are!

I wish more people did to me when I was 21stone instead of family etc, saying your just built big etc etc. I was fat end of! Once I realised that I did something about it!

Why should I EXPECT to be called fat if I am? Why should somebody with ginger hair EXPECT to be called for their hair colour? And yes I realise one can be altered while the other is not a choice, but that argument is moot for this one specific point.

A fat person should no more expect to be abused by a stranger than somebody who has lots of tattoos or piercings. I'm not talking a well meaning family member here, I'm talking a random average Joe, whether you like somebodies appearance or not is quite literally none of your business and if you think it's OK to start to randomly abusing people for whatever reason then you are utterly and completely wrong.

Of course it does happen, but I can tell you right now the ones who can't keep their mouth shut about people around them (unless that person is directly affecting them in some way of course) are far worse human beings than somebody who is overweight.

There's far too much acceptance that it's OK to abuse people who don't live up to societies standards, and it is utter rubbish. It starts in the playground at school and people never grow out of it, the abuse just gets refined beyond simple name calling, that's all.