Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

Jason2 said:
Science studies the creation. You atheists seem to think you can find God by looking at the universe. He exists outside of time and space. Even Einstein hated you hard-core atheists.
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Wait just a minute!

If someone "seem to think you can find God", they are not atheist. Why on earth would we spend time looking for something that doesn't exist?
 
You know, they often say people who hate gays are often gay themselves. Perhaps it is the same for atheists. They say they don't believe in God yet are always talking about him. I think our little atheist friends really do believe deep down.
 
Jason2 said:
You know, they often say people who hate gays are often gay themselves. Perhaps it is the same for atheists. They say they don't believe in God yet are always talking about him. I think our little atheist friends really do believe deep down.
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Does that mean secretly you are an atheist because you keep going on about them?
 
"Einstein later explained his view of the relationship between science and religion at a conference on that topic at the Union Theological Seminary in New York. The realm of science, he said, was to ascertain what was the case, but not evaluate human thoughts and actions about what should be the case. Religion had the reverse mandate. Yet the endeavors worked together at times. 'Science can be created only by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding,' he said. 'This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion.'
The talk got front-page news coverage, and his pithy conclusion became famous: "The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.'
But there was one religious concept, Einstein went on to say, that science could not accept: a deity who could meddle at whim in the events of his creation or in the lives of his creatures. 'The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and sciences lies in the concept of a personal God,' he argued. Sciences aim to uncover the immutable laws that govern reality, and in doing so they must reject the notion that divine will, or for that matter, human will, plays a role that would violate this cosmic causality."

Issacson, W. (2007) Einstein: His Life and Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster. pp. 390-391.
 
Jason2 said:
You know, they often say people who hate gays are often gay themselves. Perhaps it is the same for atheists. They say they don't believe in God yet are always talking about him. I think our little atheist friends really do believe deep down.
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Religion is a very important topic. I don't believe in god, but many do, so discussions like this are very important. Especially as our head of state is also the head of the church.

I talk about Harry Potter quite a lot. Rather obsessed actually. Don't think it is real though. Do you only ever talk about things you think are real?
 
Oxy said:
I think I am right in saying that religion is man made and is a way to control people and get them to kill people of different faiths, groups, sexes,and generally oppress people.

Can you believe in God but not be affiliated to a religious cult like the Jewish, Christian or Islamic cults?
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Essentially yes, I guess religion is man made. IF you believe in the preaching of certain men then you go with what they had to say and adhere to their scriptures.

Religion is no different to following your football team which also controls people and gets them to act like hooligans towards other supporters, teams etc.
 
Jason2 said:
He showed contempt against atheists in his letters.
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I'm going to post this again, read the whole thing rather than quote mine bit you and Mr Comfort like:

Naffa said:
"Einstein later explained his view of the relationship between science and religion at a conference on that topic at the Union Theological Seminary in New York. The realm of science, he said, was to ascertain what was the case, but not evaluate human thoughts and actions about what should be the case. Religion had the reverse mandate. Yet the endeavors worked together at times. 'Science can be created only by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding,' he said. 'This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion.'
The talk got front-page news coverage, and his pithy conclusion became famous: "The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.'
But there was one religious concept, Einstein went on to say, that science could not accept: a deity who could meddle at whim in the events of his creation or in the lives of his creatures. 'The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and sciences lies in the concept of a personal God,' he argued. Sciences aim to uncover the immutable laws that govern reality, and in doing so they must reject the notion that divine will, or for that matter, human will, plays a role that would violate this cosmic causality."

Issacson, W. (2007) Einstein: His Life and Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster. pp. 390-391.
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