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Ivy vs Zambezi vs Vishera (i5 3570K vs FX-8120 vs FX-8320)
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From the blog
AMD rig (FX-8320) specs:
AMD FX-8320
ASUS M5A97 R2.0
BE QUIET! Pure Power L8 630W
AEROCOOL VS-9
Samsung SATA SH-224BB/BEBE bulk
Scythe Mugen 3 Rev. B
Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5
SAMSUNG 8GB KIT PC3-12800 DDR3-1600
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
AMD rig (FX-8320) specs:
AMD FX-8320
ASUS M5A97 R2.0
BE QUIET! Pure Power L8 630W
AEROCOOL VS-9
Samsung SATA SH-224BB/BEBE bulk
Scythe Mugen 3 Rev. B
Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5
SAMSUNG 8GB KIT PC3-12800 DDR3-1600
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
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This to be honest.
More and more people are starting to make the jump toward 120Hz monitors, and I myself is happy to drop graphic details a bit to medium/high settings to gain more frame rate for my 120Hz monitor.
It becomes a whole new ball-game, when the CPU have aim for 120fps instead of 60fps.
I'm confused here, i don't know what is meant by "GPU limited" it looks like an implication that the CPU does not matter in these games, a Sempron 145 is only £28.
So if i don't need any of those CPU's then a 7850 + a Sempron 145 will gost me £180, thats nice and cheap.
Right?
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Oh you.
In this context, GPU limited is used as the GPU is reaching its peak before the selected CPU's.
The semp would be CPU limited with the 7850.
humbug look at your posts you are pro amd. thats fine but his benchmarks are basically pointless
like 99 percent of them all bench either amd / intel biased games
or they bench games that 99 percent of pc gamers dont even play daily
if you want the best from a pc for gaming intel is the best. amd do offer decent options though but they just arnt as quick
for those arguing about cpu bla bla games it obviously depends on what games you play
for eg arma 3 which is like a skyrim it really benefits from a strong fast cpu
the difference in say a 8350 to a 3570k is 15-20 fps same settings
in skyrim its same and in some instances even with new patch a very big gap
like 99 percent of them all bench either amd / intel biased games
or they bench games that 99 percent of pc gamers dont even play daily
if you want the best from a pc for gaming intel is the best. amd do offer decent options though but they just arnt as quick
for those arguing about cpu bla bla games it obviously depends on what games you play
for eg arma 3 which is like a skyrim it really benefits from a strong fast cpu
the difference in say a 8350 to a 3570k is 15-20 fps same settings
in skyrim its same and in some instances even with new patch a very big gap
Yes the video card is maxing out before the CPU's run out of grunt.
Of course you knew that
If your trying to show CPU performance differences in gaming then you have to make sure the GPU isn't the bottleneck.
Perhaps he could go begging to the shop he keeps advertising in the blog and get another card to crossfire with.
Also 4.7Ghz is not a 24/7 overclock for PD.
Unless you never ever stability test it.
Of course you knew that
If your trying to show CPU performance differences in gaming then you have to make sure the GPU isn't the bottleneck.
Perhaps he could go begging to the shop he keeps advertising in the blog and get another card to crossfire with.
Also 4.7Ghz is not a 24/7 overclock for PD.
Unless you never ever stability test it.
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So what CPU would i need?
The OP was trying to show that "you don't have to buy Intel" and got scorned for it by some real unfriendly Intel owners. (predictably)
(excluding you in this, those this is aimed at will know)
Whats wrong with his charts that he deserved such bad treatment? do i really have to buy Intel?
The Intel snobbery by a minority of people in this thread is about as low life as it can get, whats worse is that i knew this thread would contain exactly the sort (you must be an AMD fanboy) nonsense for a fact before i even opened it
Do this forum a favour, take your Intel lynch mob mentality elsewhere.
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Because the CPU's can go further than the GPU tested with it, thus gives it skewed view.
Essentially 7850 2GB stock performance is a few years old now, I mean a GTX480 can pretty much give it a good chase.
At mid range gaming do you need Intel? Not at all, and that's what this blog is, mid range GPU performance. But that doesn't paint the full picture, especially with the GPU limited resident evil showing the 3570k getting bested (And the other gaming benchmarks), it'd come down to margin of error, but presented in a way it makes the AMD look better, and that is a shill.
Essentially 7850 2GB stock performance is a few years old now, I mean a GTX480 can pretty much give it a good chase.
At mid range gaming do you need Intel? Not at all, and that's what this blog is, mid range GPU performance. But that doesn't paint the full picture, especially with the GPU limited resident evil showing the 3570k getting bested (And the other gaming benchmarks), it'd come down to margin of error, but presented in a way it makes the AMD look better, and that is a shill.
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4%, you call 4% getting beasted?
Whats more widely used, a 7850 or 7970 xFire?
How is it "presented in a way it makes the AMD look better"
Is because he didn't test at 1024 x 768 and minimal settings? is that how people play games? i don't. Do you?
I have a 7870 and play Games at 1080P and get pretty much the same performance with my CPU than i would with a 3570K.
I don't play games at 1024 x 768, tell me who does?
I tell you what, his slides are closer to reality than a lot of so called respected reviewers.
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Bested...
And who was talking about 7950 Crossfire?
Who was talking about low resolution?
The results are GPU limited/margin of error, but without fail the 3 games I saw all had the AMD ahead (Bar short gameplay of Resident evil)
No explanation.
Making the AMD look better as it gives a better FPS count, that's a shill.
I'm not denying the content, just the context they're displayed (I mean, a higher "3.4GHZ" 8320 FPS of 106 against the 4.5GHZ 3570k 105)
I have conveniently ignored the "short" gameplay though.
But as you've shown multiple times, you have abysmal analytical skill.
And who was talking about 7950 Crossfire?
Who was talking about low resolution?
The results are GPU limited/margin of error, but without fail the 3 games I saw all had the AMD ahead (Bar short gameplay of Resident evil)
No explanation.
Making the AMD look better as it gives a better FPS count, that's a shill.
I'm not denying the content, just the context they're displayed (I mean, a higher "3.4GHZ" 8320 FPS of 106 against the 4.5GHZ 3570k 105)
I have conveniently ignored the "short" gameplay though.
But as you've shown multiple times, you have abysmal analytical skill.
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Your resorting to insults again, without fail that is the level you always end up at.
His not explaining margin of error does not make him a Shill, that is also a ridiculously low bar to set for someone to be a Shill, but it is convenient.
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But you do have poor analytical skill........
You get too emotional in these "discussions".
Hell, I even agreed with the sentiment you don't need Intel (Because it's true), but you can't accept that him showing the AMD as giving superior results isn't in some way skewed and gives a false impression ?
EDIT : "Insult me" with one of my glaring faults if it makes you feel any better, you're meant to be a grown man, I'm still a daft "alcoholic" child like everyone else my age, so don't take everything to heart.
You get too emotional in these "discussions".
Hell, I even agreed with the sentiment you don't need Intel (Because it's true), but you can't accept that him showing the AMD as giving superior results isn't in some way skewed and gives a false impression ?
EDIT : "Insult me" with one of my glaring faults if it makes you feel any better, you're meant to be a grown man, I'm still a daft "alcoholic" child like everyone else my age, so don't take everything to heart.
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run the tests again with the games with all effects enabled to max but AA turned off and set the res to something like 800x600, that will put all the stress onto the cpu then otherwise you just showing how crap the graphics card is to get gpu limited by a amd cpu.
lol
lol
Oh i don't take it personally, i'm simply pointing out how condescending you often get.
Toms Hardware also show the FX-8350 faster than the 3570K in most productivity apps, they are not Shills they are factual, they also show the 3570K a couple of % faster in games like BF3 and then don't explain margin of error, again this does not make them Shills.
I don't see why an armature bedroom reviewer should be an exception.
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Some random blogger (With a new blog, advertising X shop) turns up with results and shows the AMD with better results in gaming, posts on several sites.
That's a completely different scenario to a review done by the likes of Toms.
I don't understand how you're dismissing point blank the possibility of a shill, especially with the "AMD vs Intel" title lol.
That's a completely different scenario to a review done by the likes of Toms.
I don't understand how you're dismissing point blank the possibility of a shill, especially with the "AMD vs Intel" title lol.
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Snobbery.
He is comparing the two only CPU brands on the market, as they all do and they all use titles like that, they also all advertise.
So because Toms exist, he can't?
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That's not snobbery lol, I think most people actually prefer forum users results over reviewers results at times (Not to mention I self deprecate far too much to be a snob)
And no one's said bloggers can't exist, we're just saying this particular one looks like shilling.
Anyway, we'll end this on this note http://cpuwars.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/games/ Both situations the 3570k is BESTED (Not beasted) if you don't think the results are there for shilling/make AMD seem superior then that's your choice, but the results do show the AMD to be superior, and the truth is much further away than that for gaming, you must at least acknowledge that (That ISN'T to say Intel is needed for gaming, it's to say they're not inferior to AMD)
And no one's said bloggers can't exist, we're just saying this particular one looks like shilling.
Anyway, we'll end this on this note http://cpuwars.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/games/ Both situations the 3570k is BESTED (Not beasted) if you don't think the results are there for shilling/make AMD seem superior then that's your choice, but the results do show the AMD to be superior, and the truth is much further away than that for gaming, you must at least acknowledge that (That ISN'T to say Intel is needed for gaming, it's to say they're not inferior to AMD)
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For gaming you would have to be a total amd fanboy to suggest that there better then intel at gaming, interesting that hes got the 8120 above the 3570k where as i found around a %20 to %25 increase in frame rates in the majority of the games i tend to play , bf3 , batman , sniper elite when i switched over to intel.