Dynamo: magician impossible

[estebanrey]

No, basing it off the trick you've actually been tirelessly, pointless and needlessly arguing for the best part of the thread.

Best part of? Spoffle and I's debate barely takes up one page and you' obviously haven't noticed that we moved on about 8 posts ago.

It's you that keep bringing it up as if it's the only thing he's ever done.

No, it's a trick that's being discussed in this thread, hence why it's getting attention.

Where in the OP does it mention the weight lifting trick? That discussion didn't happen til page 2.

And its not just one kid (from Bradford BTW) who is attempting to pull crap like this unfortunately, its becoming common practice among a lot of the top "magicians", and i think people have had enough of it.

Again, basing your entire opinion of all of Dynamo's material on one trick. You might as well say Lionel Messi is a **** footballer because you saw him miss an open goal once.

The reason Blaine and Dynamo do all this 'street magic' stuff is because people got tired of the classic routines. People got bored of of it, so now people are like them are trying to make magic 'cool' again. That's my point, unless you think a brilliant classic magician could have a successful TV series akin to Paul Daniel's back in the day. I don't think they could personally (which is kinda sad).

 

[Craterloads]

wouldn't have to be a room full of paid actors when only him and the black guy touched the weights.... would only require one stooge

the 20lb weights were already on the bar and were the fakes... they then chucked on a few real weights each side (the 5ibs ones etc...)

alternatively you could do this sort of trick by switching the weights after the black guy had a go - it wasn't a continuous shot or anything... could easily condition the small audience to accept the breaks - production crew doing a few initial shots, clips where they chat to people, footage that doesn't get used etc.. faff with the lights, faffing about with equipment "right lets take a short break for lunch guys".... when they come back in the production crew have switched the weights for the fake ones and dynamo takes his turn

Just an expression, not to say the whole room was full of paid actors.

And no way in hell was the black guy picking up 150KG there, not in a million years.

 

[Craterloads]

Best part of? Spoffle and I's debate barely takes up one page and you' obviously haven't noticed that we moved on about 8 posts ago.

It's you that keep bringing it up as if it's the only thing he's ever done.

Half way down page two, to the very end of page three, i would say that would class as the best part of the, at the time, 3 page thread no?

It wasnt really a debate TBH, just you arguing for the sake of arguing. If there was something else posted to bring up, it would be discussed. Unfortunatly that trick has been the highlight of his performances in this thread.

Where in the OP does it mention the weight lifting trick? That discussion didn't happen til page 2.

What does the OP say, not much really.

Again, basing your entire opinion of all of Dynamo's material on one trick. You might as well say Lionel Messi is a **** footballer because you saw him miss an open goal once.

No you're making assumptions, that i'm basing it off just one trick. Ive seen many off his shows. He does plenty of these staged, pre-recorded type stuff.

The reason Blaine and Dynamo do all this 'street magic' stuff is because people got tired of the classic routines. That's my point, unless you think a brilliant classic magician could have a successful TV series akin to Paul Daniel's back in the day. I don't think they could personally (which is kinda sad).

Lifting fake weights is not street magic, Blaine's levitation isnt street magic, thats called studio magic. I have seen some of their actual street magic stuff, it isnt half bad.

 

[yozzer2001]

is this the same man who went to rio ferdinands shoe shop and ducked down crawled behind two bouncers out the door then stood up outside and people went wow how did he walk through the window lol

 

[estebanrey]

It wasnt really a debate TBH, just you arguing for the sake of arguing.

Bit like what you're doing now then?

If there was something else posted to bring up, it would be discussed. Unfortunatly that trick has been the highlight of his performances in this thread.

You're free to post some of his other tricks if you want. I've tried to move on to talk about the decline in magic generally for example, but then back you come, obsessed with the weight lifting thing.

So let's get this out of the way. You are adamant the weight lifting effect was achieved with stooges, that's fine. I think that well could have been how it was done, but I don't think it's the ONLY way it could have been done.

And that's all I've ever said. Which I don't think is that unreasonable but because I'm not joining in with the definite shouts of 'STOOGE' I'm somehow the one being silly.

Anyway, as I said. You have your view, I have mine. Let's agree to disagree, or rather you disagree with me whilst I agree you could be correct whilst leaving the door open that you may be wrong eh?

No your making assumptions, that i'm basing it off just one trick. Ive seen many off his shows. He does plenty of these staged, pre-recorded type stuff.

You pretty much admitted (or that's how it read) you were basing your opinion off that trick in your last post before that one.

Lifting fake weights is not street magic, Blaine's levitation isnt street magic, thats called studio magic. I have seen some of their actual street magic stuff, it isnt half bad.

You don't know what 'street magic' means if you think it has to actually happen on a street. Besides, Blaine's levitation wasn't done in a studio (at least not the one I saw).

 

[Craterloads]

Bit like what you're doing now then?

You're free to post some of his other tricks if you want. I've tried to move on to talk about the decline in magic generally for example, but then back you come, obsessed with the weight lifting thing.

Not really that interested to post any of his other tricks, was just in amazement at your "debate" with Spoffle.

So let's get this out of the way. You are adamant the weight lifting effect was achieved with stooges, that's fine. I think that well could have been how it was done, but I don't think it's the ONLY way it could have been done.

And that's all I've ever said. Which I don't think is that unreasonable but because I'm not joining in with the definite shouts of 'STOOGE' I'm somehow the one being silly.

It is

You pretty much admitted (or that's how it read) you were basing your opinion off that trick in your last post before that one.

No, in context of this thread and its major focal point.

You don't know what 'street magic' means if you think it has to actually happen on a street. Besides, Blaine's levitation wasn't done in a studio (at least not the one I saw).

Ironically, i would say the same to you off that reply. Street magic, pretty much has the explanation in the name itself.

 

[estebanrey]

Not really that interested to post any of his other tricks, was just in amazement at your "debate" with Spoffle.

Really? Small things please small minds I suppose.

It is

Yep, because claiming you have definite knowledge of something when you don't is clearly the most rational way of thinking.

No, in context of this thread and its major focal point.

It really isn't.

Ironically, i would say the same to you off that reply. Street magic, pretty much has the explanation in the name itself.

Do you take everything literally? Does the lack of amphibious meat in a toad in the hole confuse you?

The term 'Street magic' nowadays is a generic term for magic that is performed in unconventional places (i.e not a theatre, TV studio or pre-arranged event). What you are saying is if Dynamo does a trick in a pub it's not 'street magic' because he wasn't standing out on the roadside.

If you want to be really pedantic you could argue they are doing guerrilla magic but it's still a type of street magic.

 

[Fenris]

What you are saying is if Dynamo does a trick in a pub it's not 'street magic' because he wasn't standing out on the roadside.

I think you will find that people are arguing that what Dynamo does is not street magic because it relies incredibly on camera trickery and actors.

Yes if you want to be pedantic then he IS doing street magic, however the fact that is is largely staged lessens the experiences immensely. I have no issue with the fact that what he does is "Street Magic", however it is a rather watered down and boring version of it.

It's the equivalent of a busker miming a song whilst playing an electric keyboard that isn't plugged in. They are still on the street and music is coming from somewhere, but it's just not quite right.

 

[mithrandir]

5UB will rule them all

 

[Craterloads]

Really? Small things please small minds I suppose.

Starting off with an ad-hominem? I can just tell this post is going to be well thought out and articulate....

Yep, because claiming you have definite knowledge of something when you don't is clearly the most rational way of thinking.

You're starting to look foolish now, you need to learn to stop whilst you have some dignity left.

It really isn't.

It really is, you should know considering the amount of posts on the topic, especially given most are by you.

Do you take everything literally? Does the lack of amphibious meat in a toad in the hole confuse you?

The term 'Street magic' nowadays is a generic term for magic that is performed in unconventional places (i.e not a theatre, TV studio or pre-arranged event). What you are saying is if Dynamo does a trick in a pub it's not 'street magic' because he wasn't standing out on the roadside.

If you want to be really pedantic you could argue they are doing guerrilla magic but it's still a type of street magic.

Ironically it's you being pedantic, that is NOT street magic. Just because he is not in a theatre or conventional place, does not make it street magic. You could go as far to say he is in a studio, making it a conventional place, strictly speaking.

The term 'Street magic' nowadays is a generic term for magic that is performed in unconventional places (i.e not a theatre, TV studio or pre-arranged event). What you are saying is if Dynamo does a trick in a pub it's not 'street magic' because he wasn't standing out on the roadside.

You're just being obtuse. Street magic, is a term used for "magic" done towards/at the general public, wether that be at bars, the street ot any other place where the general public are. Not staged bits and pieces with payed actors and studio effects, which pretty much any tom, dick and harry could do. Street magic actually takes some skill, not payed actors and adobe after effects.

 

[Merlin5]

This is pretty good

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I await 5ub's response (unless I magically missed it).

 

[Feek]

He has the skill to do the card tricks and he seems to do them well enough but he doesn't have the charisma.

I watch what he does and I'm simply not interested in him. For example, the first two tricks he shows Fearne Cotton are basic enough, the very first one is dead simple and requires no gimmicks but the second one does and he's just bought the trick, learned it but not worked on any presentation skills whatsoever.

 

[StriderX]

He's so thin...he should magic himself some food once in awhile

 

[ZG002]

Never watched him, have now and it's meh. Much preferred that fool us show, Imagine having two of the most famous magicians of our time burning your hands while you try and pull off a card trick that fools them.

 

[Craterloads]

This is pretty good

Pretty much case and point, if that's street magic to you estabanrey, then we have a problem. No magic/trick ever took place, he gets slated more because we've seen this same no skill, photoshop stuff 10 years ago.

 

[topgun06]

I do like some of his stuff. Mainly the card tricks, the tricks which you can 'believe' (if that's the right word). The same applies with other magicians. But when he walks through glass, walks on water or flies, its just a bit pathetic really.

 

[estebanrey]

Pretty much case and point, if that's street magic to you estabanrey, then we have a problem. No magic/trick ever took place, he gets slated more because we've seen this same no skill, photoshop stuff 10 years ago.

Seriously what is your problem? What are you so desperate to prove and what are you arguing with me about?

Dynamo is generally regarded as a street magician, as was David Blaine. I've already told you if you don't like the term you can use 'guerilla magician' if you like.

Craterloads, I couldn't care less what you want to call him, I couldn't care less how certain you are are about how a couple of his tricks are done.

I've already said a few times I'm not even his biggest fan and I'm not here to claim he's the greatest magician of all time so I don't know what we're actually disagreeing on.

But again, of course you can cherry pick examples of tricks that look a bit naff from his show. But you can't wipe over his whole career or forget he's an awesome card handler and knows far more about magic than you (or I) ever will.

Your argument that anyone could do his tricks is demonstrably untrue. Some of what he does will require very little skill, some will require a lot and that goes for all magicians. There is a big difference between knowing how something is done and being able to perform it convincingly in front of a bunch of strangers.

There are tricks that Derren Brown, David Copperfield, Penn & Teller and 5UB do that are 'easy' when you know the method; but there are others that will take a lot of skill and practice. Same goes for Dynamo.

For example in Derren's brown stage show, 'An Evening Of Wonders' he gets a 'hypnotised' girl up on stage and makes her drink a glass full of vinegar. In reality she is drinking water and all he has is a prop Vinegar bottle that contains a tiny amount of real vinegar in a gimmicked cap which another audience member tests before he takes the cap off the bottle and fills a glass with brown water which the 'hypnotised' person drinks. Now that's pretty darn easy to do but that doesn't make Derren a **** magician because he does a trick that has a simple routine to it.

If Dynamo's show annoys you that much, just turn it over and watch EastEnders or something. No one is forcing you to watch him.

P.S. The expression is "case IN point".

 

[Mark A]

"Dis guy must be a alien or sutin" ... another Never Mind The Buzzcocks classic

Which episode is that? I thought I had watched every NMTB but can't remember this one.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Anyone worked out how he predicted all the euro 2012 quarter finals, and won a £10000 bet because of it? 1 bet, or 1000 multiple bets of different results, then giving the right envelope to the guy at the this morning studio, who was in on it?