Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones: Guns

Radiation said:
I don't think they're evil, the point is obvious though surely?

A fist could kill a single person if hitting the right spot or if done for long enough, a knife will make that quick and easy, maybe you'll get two or more if taken by surprise, a handgun will making killing at a distance now possible, increasing the number and chances of a whole group dying, a semi automatic just continues the trend.
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Not really, in terms of school shooting a handgun is much the same as a rifle, I don't think there has ever been a mass killing where range was an issue, they are all malls, offices and schools.
In terms of people shot in the time available you could do exactly the same with a bolt action rifle.
15 rounds in 60 seconds.

Russinating said:
Either way your point is pretty flawed, on your terms an RPG is no more dangerous than a pistol. You only get one bullet and you still have to reload?!? :rolleyes:.
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You suggest my point is flawed by posting something ridiculous?

Amazing. Go look up strawman
 
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bitslice said:
Not really, in terms of school shooting a handgun is much the same as a rifle, I don't think there has ever been a mass killing where range was an issue, they are all malls, offices and schools.
In terms of people shot in the time available you could do exactly the same with a bolt action rifle.
15 rounds in 60 seconds.
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Then by your argument handguns are just as bad?

I agree, they shouldn't be allowed either, all any of it does is make killing easier to do.
 
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You can kill people more quickly with an assault rifle than you can with a pistol.

Walk into a cinema with a pistol and you will not kill as many people as you would with an assault rifle. Trigger down, spray. That's just about it really, isn't it?
 
The people who think banning semi-autos is going to stop mass shootings are fools. 'Assault weapons' is a completely made up term that came about because some shooters used a very popular AR-15 design in shootings, which a lot of Americans own and happens to look the same as M16s and M4s you see the military with. The ammunition used is a smaller calibre than popular hunting ammo. Nothing stops a bolt action rifle or pistols being used for the exact same shooting (The recent school shooter used 2 pistols and did not use a rifle at all in shootings, it was found in his car afterwards).

Banning magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds won't stop a shooter either as this just inconveniences them slightly as they will have to carry more magazines. It takes about 2 seconds or less to reload a rifle with a bit of practice. People who carry guns for self defence in America will be limited in how many rounds they can carry, while criminals will continue to ignore these restrictions.

Flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and pistol grips on rifles will be banned, none of these features makes a rifle more dangerous and simply serves to remove legitimate firearms from the hands of law abiding gun owners.

Assault Rifles (rifles with a fully automatic fire selection) were already banned in the US in the 80s and require special licensing to purchase, they are rare to find legally and have not been involved in any recent shootings. 'Assault weapons' is a term made up by people who want to essentially ban scary looking guns.

I am against the US assault weapons ban and find Piers' input on the subject repulsive. Alex Jones had a perfect opportunity to offer concrete counter-points to Morgan's rhetoric, but instead he decided to waste it by attempting to squeeze in as much NWO blabber and infowars.com shoutouts as he possibly could. I'm very disappointed that he's fallen right into the hands of the anti-gun agenda.

I don't think the ban will go through though, the pro-gun groups lobby just as much as the anti-gun groups, and the manufacture and sales of firearms in the US is too big to simply cast aside. Not to mention the fact that owning firearms is enshrined in the constitution.

Watch this video if you still have any confusion between the terms Assault Rifle and 'Assault weapon'.
 
Radiation said:
Then by your argument handguns are just as bad?
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In terms of random or mass killings, yes. The rate of fire is much the same.
It's another debate whether they should be permitted or not.

Russinating said:
You said a pistol and semi-automatic are the same because on both you pull a trigger and a bullet comes out. Go luck up ridiculous.
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'handgun and semi automatic' actually, it's not hard to quote correctly.

Yes russ, that is what happens, handguns have a magazine and it pops another bullet into the chamber after the bullet is fired, to fire another bullet just pull the trigger a second time until your 15-30 round mag is empty - exactly the same process as SA's

Did you really not know this? Maybe gun debates are not for you then.
 
There wasn't a single coherent argument that defended gun ownership in that video, just a load of foils like Prozac, phone hacking, the anarchy that is apparently the UK, people playing video games, guns and knives apparently not killing people, more bat**** retarded stuff...

Morgan is by far the bigger turd of the two, but that Alex Jones is definitely on the lunatic fringe.
 
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