Question to Vegans and Vegatarians.
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That's okay. One day we might find a cure for it and you'll be okay again.
Even bacon?
YGOS?
Nope, they need pills. A truly vegan diet is unhealthy. We are omnivores, not herbivores.
I believe they have to take protein pills.
Utter nonsense! A well balanced vegan diet is far healthier than one that consists of meat every-day, especially if it's red or processed meat!
More nonsense, you do realize that Quorn has a higher protein density than pretty much any meat apart from fish
Plus many other vegan foods have high levels of protein, difference is most of them don't come with the protein wrapped around a fatty heart attack!!
This isn't actually true. The reason it looks like this is because in general, a vegan will be more likely to know about their diet in depth than an average person with the effort they sometimes have to put in to avoiding meat and animal products.
The average person who eats meat will generally know very little about nutrition and thus their diet won't consist of as much nutritious food.
More nonsense, you do realize that Quorn has a higher protein density than pretty much any meat apart from fish
Plus many other vegan foods have high levels of protein, difference is most of them don't come with the protein wrapped around a fatty heart attack!!
This is actually nonsense. Fat in your food doesn't equate to fat in your body, nor does dietary cholesterol relate to cholesterol in your body either.
One of the main problems is that meat eaters will tend to get more in the way of nutritious fat in their diets than vegans or vegetarians do, and fat regardless of what you think, is in fact extremely good for you.
The only nutrient a human can't possibly get from a plant source is vitamin B12. Which is essential. Deficiency in it will degrade your life slowly, so slowly that you might not notice until permanent damage is done. It's a very big deal.
You can get B12 by eating dung from the right kinds of animal, but I think most people would consider a pill to be a better bet. You can get vegan B12 - it's made in a lab/factory from vats of bacteria which produce it as a waste product.
Everything else you can get solely from eating plants. You need to know what you're doing and you need to continue to eat a suitable variety of suitable plants, but you can do it. The right kind of variety is key to things such as getting all the essential amino acids in appropriate quantities and proportions (i.e. the same that you get in meat proteins). Some nutrients are more challenging than others (e.g. calcium...not a lot of plants with significant quantities of calcium), but if you know what you're doing and you maintain a suitably varied diet and you take B12 supplements you can be healthy and vigorous.
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More nonsense, you do realize that Quorn has a higher protein density than pretty much any meat apart from fish
Plus many other vegan foods have high levels of protein, difference is most of them don't come with the protein wrapped around a fatty heart attack!!
Do you realise that there are hundreds of different proteins and humans don't use any of the proteins they eat, at all, ever, regardless of where the proteins come from? It's a recycling system, not a reusing system.
If you don't know enough, you can easily eat more than the RDA for "protein" from plant sources and still suffer from protein deficiency. If you think that it's just about protein, singular, then you don't know enough.
EDIT: I just checked - I was out by orders of magnitude. There are millions of proteins. But that doesn't detract from my point - it's about amino acids, not "protein".
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Conclusions Red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of total, CVD, and cancer mortality. Substitution of other healthy protein sources for red meat is associated with a lower mortality risk.
Massive study (110,000+ over 28 years) undertaken at Harvard Medical School.
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Why do people start threads like this?
I mean really what did you expect to happen? All we will end up with is the raving nutters from both sides arguing about protein and how eating meat kills you.
Mods please just lock this before it gets out of hand.
I mean really what did you expect to happen? All we will end up with is the raving nutters from both sides arguing about protein and how eating meat kills you.
Mods please just lock this before it gets out of hand.
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Are vegatarians people who solely eat vegans?
But you've changed what you've said now. You didn't just say "red meat".
I don't get vegetarians, vegans for ethical reason almost has some logic, completely daft but logically complete. But vegetarians, don't eat anaimals directly but don't give 2 hoots about what animals died or differed on the way to give you the vegetarian food. E..g, any milk based product, artificially force continuous pregnancy in cows, any male calfs produced as a byproduct are slaughtered and the hefers are incarcerated in conditions worse than free range beef cattle.
Give my a good steak produced from a happy bull any day week over some pretentious pseudo ethical choice to eat quorn burgers and Brussel sprout dip.