Has there been any country that has got a nuclear program that didn't (or hasn't tried to) use it to make weapons?
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Has there been any country that has got a nuclear program that didn't (or hasn't tried to) use it to make weapons?
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Seems like it merely went up and then came back down with no insertion into orbit and no re-entry manoeuvre. I may be wrong but, and assuming money wasn't a problem, I'd hazard a guess that there are quite a few of us on here who could carry out the same launch.
Circumstances are a little different though, aren't they?
USA - bombs
WW2 atom bombs - dropped on x2 cities to speed the end of a global war that had already cost the lives of tens of millions. And would likely cost hundreds of thousands more in forces and civillian deaths had a full scale invasion of the japanese mainland been attempted - given the resistance under pretty much any circumstances of the japanese military high command to accede to allied terms for surrender, this was very likely; see how fanatical the pacific islands were fought for for a preview of what taking mainland japan would have brought.
The numbers killed outright with those two raids amount to less that the previous fire/conventional bombing of other japanese cities (same for german and french towns bombed by the allies).
Has not used them since.
I'll concede that there were other factors involved with the US decision to drop the bomb - foremost of which was to show russia what capability was at the disposal of the allies now the war in europe was 'over'.
Global war of attrition - when it's you, or them, would you spend more of your lives in conventional warfare or use the newfangled uber weapon and let history decide?
Iran - bombs
Says in a display of flagrant xenophobia and bigotry - will wipe israel off the map. Shows every sign that it would carry out such a threat given the means to do so. Why? 'Cause they're jooooooos init?
I'll stick with the testament of history over the irrational ranting of iranian religious and cultural zealotry any day of the week.
Yes. I'm interested in the context with which the comparison is being made, not a definitive list of countries with both space agencies and nuclear programmes.
Which I have condoned several times in this thread. Are you seriously comparing an act of war to Iran's situation?
Again, missing the point. Whilst Iran are allegedly busy trying to arm themselves most of the world's other nuclear power are actively disarming themselves (START treaties, for example). The Manhattan Project occurred during World War II, the USSR and the USA's arms race was during particularly strained times when there was a very real threat of war.
I'm not making comparisons between Iran and other nations' nuclear records. I merely said that it isn't a country I'd celebrate any time soon.
I thought that was confirmed as being an error in translation?
The payload may still be intact, but they didn't say if its still alive. I know monkeys are genetically similar to humans and all that but why send worms and a turtle into space previously, is it just whatever Tehran pet shop had in stock on special?
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Oh it wasnt an error, as that would suggest it was a mistake
Iran has as much right as any other country to develop nuclear technology and a space program.
Surely under these circumstances you use to justify the United States actual use of Nuclear weapons on a civilian popuplation, is similar to that of Iran wanting to aquire the technology to defend its self against repeated threats from a whole host of countries? From countries with histories of illegal wars and occupations?
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not really, the russians and the US havent really done anything much since the moon landings. Maybe this will push them to start something that worth it.
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Lol
what have they done, since then? what you are thinking is electronic advancement. has man gone back to the moon? have they built a moon base etc...
Something like this will end up being good for man, as it will push the US and Russia to start getting their fingers out of there bums and start pushing towards human space travel.
BTW if they do get a man into space then they will be ahead of the UK.
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As much as I hate to just use links - comments like that deserve little else!
http://www.wired.com/science/space/news/2008/07/nasa_mainbar?currentPage=all
I think we can count that as achievement!
http://www.wired.com/science/space/news/2008/07/nasa_mainbar?currentPage=all
I think we can count that as achievement!
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Right.
A little thing called the International Space Station might just disagree with you.
I didn't realise iran was at war with the rest of the world. Or that 'the world' was at war with iran. Whatever else is said, there's no military conflict as far as I know - in that way only would a conflict with iran be 'similar' to ww2 and the us A-bomb thing.
After all, if countries simply bombed other countries on the basis of 'histories of illegal wars and occupations' as you put it, then by the same logic applied to 'countries with a history of rabid religious dictatorship and murder with an interest in undermining regional stability with funding for extremist terror groups', then we'd be droping bombs on iran already.
I'd wager that if the roles of iran and the rest of us were reversed, we'd be in the bomb shelters already. That we continue to tolerate iran's sabre rattling says a great deal about our willingness to be forced to war.
But saying that, the iranian leadership since the revolution has always liked to poke the ants nest to make itself look strong and capable.
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There have been many acts of war all ready commited, including sanctions, assassinations, mystery explosion, violations of airspace and continuous threats of an all out war. US dropped nukes on a civillian population , according to you to stop the war short, whilst Iran want a means to defend against war, which in effect will stop the war before it starts. Its a deterent, simply put. If that was happening to the UK, i assure you they wouldnt handled it as nicely as Iran has done.
Remind me who have Iran attacked in the last 100yrs, yep thats right they are the ones who have been attacked. How they govern their own country is none of your business really, fact of the matter is the countries complaining about Iran have a horrible current history of wars. Hence why the threat from these countries should be taken in seriousness, where as Iran is simply trying to protect it self from proven aggressors and oppressors. Just look at the main two countries complaining, Israel and the United States. Franlky they have no right to jusge the actions of the Iranian leadership.
Well thats not the case and simply a figmant of your imagination. Why do you think Iran is sabre rattling, surely its in response to something.....
You mean the revolution that got rid of the American installed puppet?
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I don't understand why the west is so fearful of the rest of the world improving themselves technologically, if we took a stance of non-interference like China & Russia they would have no reason to want to attack us providing we hold Israel to account when it does wrong.