Whoosh much?
Are you concerned about youth unemployment figures?
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That back to work programme documentary was a load of crap.
I work for a Prime provider, and what we do is nothing like what they seem to have plastered all providers as.
They took one client and one adviser and tared the entire system.
I work for a Prime provider, and what we do is nothing like what they seem to have plastered all providers as.
They took one client and one adviser and tared the entire system.
Not at all, for a start most people don't have an issue finding a job, secondly not everyone is equal and companies are willing to pay a premium if you fit the bill.
Although we haven't got enough jobs for everyone, e employment should be far less than it is, there's plenty of jobs. Far to many people think they are great, when they aren't. You're only worth what someone will pay you.
A lot of this comes from it being drummed in you can be/do anything. Well yes you can, but it's not handed to you on a plate and having a 3rd from a crap uni, doesn't make you can't better than a rubbish job.
I'm a Tory and only see poverty through my windscreen, I couldn't care less if they all became cripples in workhouses. Forcing me to do or pay to help is a state monopoly of force driven upon me by thick unwashed people.
Very Victorian of you there biohazard, think you'll be an excellent member to the cast of scrounge
I think its more youth don't want to work rather than an over qualified and who can blame them when mummy and daddy let them get away with murder and they have no commitments to speak off.
The number of people I knew that would go on the JSA and not look for a job, instead they'd use the money for nights out.
I think the stigma of not working has been totally destroyed along with the lack of pride, in the past century it was looked down upon for not being employed or chasing for a good education. Now it seems the total opposite.
I explained that in my post pretty well. It depends on your industry and experience and not everyone has a crystal ball to make the correct decisions for the future. Also it was a theortical point to show what'll happen at the bottom of the market. Not everyone will try equally hard, so it doesn't prefectly reflect the skilled workforce.
Well, not really. I dare say if you were to remove the fiddling with the unemployment figures and compared it with the open positions, there'd probably be quite the shortfall. Still you're too stuck in you're I'm alright jack ways to have any empathy, aren't you?
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I wouldn't say thats true. The stigma is still there, it's just missing in certian parts of society. Still, when you pick up all your poor / unworking and make them live in crappy housing states together, what do you expect them to think normal is?
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Or maybe, just maybe, the fact that there is 2.5m unemployed but only 500k jobs might have something to do with it.
With companies going bust, or making redundancies right, left and centre, we are getting experienced staff in the entry-level positions the school/college/uni leavers would normally fill.
This is actually a great position to be in. Because in 10-15 years time we will have a huge chunk of the nations workforce being totally inexperianced staff in positions that need plenty of experiance. This will be great for the economy long-term.
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various factors all coming together at the same time, which in some ways it is some what unavoidable, but there are somethings that are definitely make it worse that can easily be prevented.
End of the industrial dominance of the uk (which started decades ago) and the move away from high street due to the internet. As well as the over supply of university educated individuals, thanks to generous government backed loans and other initiatives. The move away from trademanship in the education system. The immigrants from 3rd world countries that work for less money and decrease the job supply significantly. the influx of post eu open border immigrants further reducing supply. The economic crisis of 2008 and reduction in credit in the system since 2007. Then we have the welfare state that has reached peak proportions and is now a negative incentive to not work. The governments heavy restrictions on everything can further increase costs. Simple things like starting a stand in a park selling something might require additional costs. These costs are higher now that they have ever been. There is also a cultural shift of entitlement and an expectation of a high standard of living. A lot of people think they are entitled to a standard of living that people in the third world countries work all their lives to not obtain. Now two generations ago this was not the case, my parents understood that you had to work hard to get anything in the world. Of course this is a generalization but the amount of people that expect hand out is higher than ever.All of these factors contribute to the problem.
End of the industrial dominance of the uk (which started decades ago) and the move away from high street due to the internet. As well as the over supply of university educated individuals, thanks to generous government backed loans and other initiatives. The move away from trademanship in the education system. The immigrants from 3rd world countries that work for less money and decrease the job supply significantly. the influx of post eu open border immigrants further reducing supply. The economic crisis of 2008 and reduction in credit in the system since 2007. Then we have the welfare state that has reached peak proportions and is now a negative incentive to not work. The governments heavy restrictions on everything can further increase costs. Simple things like starting a stand in a park selling something might require additional costs. These costs are higher now that they have ever been. There is also a cultural shift of entitlement and an expectation of a high standard of living. A lot of people think they are entitled to a standard of living that people in the third world countries work all their lives to not obtain. Now two generations ago this was not the case, my parents understood that you had to work hard to get anything in the world. Of course this is a generalization but the amount of people that expect hand out is higher than ever.All of these factors contribute to the problem.
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If your industry is over populated, you will have to change. You do not have an integral right to work in that industry, either you get a job, or you have to start looking else.
I'm alright jack, because ill do those crap jobs, i'll cycle if I need to. I'll do night shifts, I'll work outside. I'll say good buy to my education and remove it from my cv if it'll help me. Because of that, I now have a boring but good job.
You can see the unemployment and job figures. There are loads of jobs out there to reduce unemployment, not everyone could be employed, but it could be cut substantially.
Don't you work for a Railway company of some kind?
Thats easier said than done for a lot of people. Generally if your industry sucks, it just means moving to the unskilled jobs which again, in a recession, suck.
I never said it couldn't be reduced. I said I believe the numbers are higher than which are actually reported. Despite that, I'm all for getting tougher on benefits but if we put our cards on the table, I think where we probably differ is I wouldn't want to see people dying on any streets, whilst you'd probably be only concerned about your own.
I put this all down to lack of skills. There are plenty of jobs out there. The problem many people lack the skills (be the basic or advanced).
Young people need to be encouraged to soak up as much useful knowledge as possible instead of expecting potential employers to give them a job simply because they applied.
Young people need to be encouraged to soak up as much useful knowledge as possible instead of expecting potential employers to give them a job simply because they applied.
Thats easier said than done for a lot of people. Generally if your industry sucks, it just means moving to the unskilled jobs which again, in a recession, suck.
I never said it couldn't be reduced. I said I believe the numbers are higher than which are actually reported. Despite that, I'm all for getting tougher on benefits but if we put our cards on the table, I think where we probably differ is I wouldn't want to see people dying on any streets, whilst you'd probably be only concerned about your own.
If you have to move to unskilled then that's what you have to do. There is nothing wrong with that, it's no reason to be unemployed.
Wy do you think, I would want to see people dying on the street, pull that from your rear?
I have no issue with benefits, where needed. A lot of benefits aren't needed. 500k jobs 2.5m unemployed, so we should be able to cut that by a faith, which would be a huge saving. Benefits is one of the biggest expenditures along with NHS. Working should always make you better off, regardless of hours, be it 2hours a week, 16hrs or 40hrs.
It should also be far more like private renters as well. House sharing etc.
Cut it by a fith by filling every position tomorrow. But then by Monday more are made unemployed, more jobs positions are created. Its an equilibrium, not a simple x and y. Plus, as you put more skilled workers in unskilled jobs, there's more unskilled unemployed with no positions to move into. So you can't just pretend there are plenty of easy to fill jobs out there.
Too many in one house will cost the NHS more, pushing up what is already a huge budget.
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We need to take away child benefit.
Totally.
Now.
Totally.
Now.
Yup. let 'em starve.
You still seem to be missing the point that those unskilled jobs become the most problemactic to land and assuming you do based on your greater level of experience, you're just screwing someone else over who'd have had it were it not for you. That means you will remain employed, sure, but the number of unemployed stays the same. The race to the bottom, as previously mentioned.
Ok, I'll bite. What would you do with the other 2m people? Because thus far, it sounds like you expect them all to somehow magic up a job.
I'm willing to bed that expenditure has nothing to do with actual JSA. You need to be addressing the people who are on sick for phantom back problems or stress, which they've been getting away with because the Government is more interested in unemployment figures than unemployment.
Do you have a plan to achieve that because outwith tax-credits or dolphs crazy idea (that I don't believe would work), I'm not sure anyone else has an idea on how to actually do that.
I imagine that'd just be more expensive as private renters will be looking for profits. As it is single people don't really get free houses, so you're talking about families sharing with other families I assume?
Essentially you're talking about lowering the quality of life of those who don't work, something that I'm not totally against myself. But I imagine if we looked around the world, the lefty countries would all be fairing better, and it's hard to argue against results.
I'm concerned, it's a pain to get into that opening position at any job. Every employer in the country seems to have unrealistically high standards of everyone applying to entry level positions with little help from the government.
Yeah I'm bitter that its been a real struggle getting the first decent job without taking an absolute raping (aka doing 6/9 months internship with no real prospect of a paid position at the end).
Yeah I'm bitter that its been a real struggle getting the first decent job without taking an absolute raping (aka doing 6/9 months internship with no real prospect of a paid position at the end).