RIP Chris Kyle

uksoldierboy - Utmost respect to yourself and anyone else who's been in your position while serving with the forces whether in combat or support roles.

Nice post from someone who's actually been there and by association is qualified to comment. People are of course allowed views on anything in life but until they have actually been in the situations they are expressing strong views on it's all just wind and talk, without the back up of real life experience to give it credence.

This sums it up for me -
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes."

I agree that it is impossible to comment on what action you'd take in the heat of the moment, but what about the action taken to arrive in that situation in the first place? Of course I would use reasonable force against someone who was attacking me (or maybe that would be up to someone else to judge as adrenaline and fear would take over, and I wave goodbye to any consideration for consequences), but usually and wherever possible I take a longsighted view and take reasonable steps to minimise the risks in the first place by not putting myself in those situations...
 
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I'd also like to add i don't think any soldier on the ground cares about what they're going there for to be honest, i went because it was my job to, i did my job and luckily i came back home.

What motivated/influenced you to do a job whilst being apathetic to the bigger picture or general, as opposed to specific, purpose of that job? Or would you say the general purpose are ideals like freedom, liberty, etc.
 
Well, soldierboy, what about that video of those US troops PLEADING to open fire on innocent civilians, including children? Cowards mate. Absolute cowards.

you cant tarnish everyone for a minority. whilst i understand your opinion and i can somewhat agree that it is wrong, like oters have said he was only doing what he was trained and commanded to do, and within strict limitations.

the guys dead, shot by some dimwit who wasnt even half the man he was, and better yet for trying to help him he got killed, in his own country after everything he went through. its pretty shocking and sad.

your entitled to your opinion, which again ill say that i see your reasoning but why not just say it rather than arguing and ruining a thread thats meant to be about respect for the sad tragidy.

good post uksolider boy. ive rad a few books and actually pondered reading american sniper at one point but couldnt get my head around how horrible the conditions and fear must be on a daily basis. its like playing cod/bf for real life, you cant afford to make one mistake
 
What motivated/influenced you to do a job whilst being apathetic to the bigger picture or general, as opposed to specific, purpose of that job? Or would you say the general purpose are ideals like freedom, liberty, etc.
I'd like to say change, it may sound a stupid thing to say, looking at the news you'd guess nothing had changed.
But as a soldier on the ground, returning to these places every other year, i saw change, change for the better.
I think as a soldier the more tours you go on, the better chance you have at seeing and understand the bigger picture, the reasons your there and the impact that you have.
By change i don't mean on a political level etc, even though in both Iraq and Afghan this has happened and i'm glad that it has.
I mean small changes.. small changes that in the grand scheme of things might not seem much to a politician sitting behind his desk, the sort of things that happen so frequently that the news teams never bother to report on, yet they really should, because it's these small changes, that have helped to have the biggest impact, both to the people it directly affects and to a soldiers reasoning of "why the hell am i here"
I'll use an example again if i may,
Iraq -Basra city centre- Op telic
I'll take you back to my first tour of iraq, i was 18, still a kid.
We'd only been out on the ground for a week, i was a rifleman in a section and was told that we'd be going out on patrol in the market area of Basra.
Basra market at the time was a no go area, it's a series of dense alleyways populated by market stales selling anything ranging from prunes to PKMS, apples to AKs. Not only this, the area was full of rape houses, where women and children as young as five would regularly be taken, raped and most of the time killed, the bodies dumped on the side of the alleyway after the people had finished with them, this ranged from ex baath party members that had got away, but still wanted the "Luxuries" that they used to have, or members of the iraq police or insurgents.
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This picture is taken at the sort of entrance to the market, it was as far as we'd be allowed to patrol.
I remember going out on patrol to the same area but at night a few weeks after, i was lead scout and we went firm at pretty much the same spot, all i could hear drifting up the the alleyway were the sounds of women screaming, it's something i still have problems with to this day.
A month or two into the tour we were tasked with ops deep into the market, this ranged from Ops on confirmed locations of baath party members, insurgent strongholds and the rape houses.
I saw some horrific things and come face to face with some of the most disgusting humans on this planet, my blood boils just thinking about it.
We did almost 200 Operations in and around the market and a lot of hearts and minds work with the locals, the result? was this
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this picture was taken at the end of the tour, i'm standing in the center of the market place, we've just had a lovely cuppa tea in the building next to me with a local who i became friends with during the tour, further down, we'd be greeted with prunes....LOTS of prunes by a group of women selling clothes, i ate so many i felt sick:D
Later in the tour we'd sort out a football game between the children and owners of some of the stales and us... we lost, miserably, but it was a great laugh.
Just before the tour ended we'd do one last patrol through the market place, again at night.
This time there were no screams.
It's this sort of change that i loved making on any tour, it made the lives of the locals much easier, it help us win the hearts and minds of the people, and it gave me a reason and excuse as to why i was going out there.
Again i'm sorry it's hard to follow, this is the first time i've really spoken about experiences in any sort of depth from my army life and it's very difficult for me to separate the good from the bad in my head.
Cheers
David
 
It is really weird to think that in pretty much any other context a person who kills 150+ people would be considered a monster, and their death celebrated. But this guy was considered a hero. I'm not saying he's not a hero, just that war is really messed up. Both sides think they are the good guys, one mans hero is another mans monster.

because generally serial killers and such do it for fun, because they enjoy it, theres generally no proper motive nor self defence. what he was doing was totally different and incomparable to your adverage run of the mill ghost face killer
 
Thank you for sharing that uksoldierboy. I really enjoyed reading that, I really hope it wakes some people up to what our forces do.
 
UkSoldierboy=Hero

How many of us can say we've helped make such a positive difference to so many peoples lives.


All this talk of our troops killing people who are only defending their country. It's not their country the troops are not there targeting Afgans the troops are there to remove the Taliban.
 
UkSoldierboy=Hero

How many of us can say we've helped make such a positive difference to so many peoples lives.


All this talk of our troops killing people who are only defending their country. It's not their country the troops are not there targeting Afgans the troops are there to remove the Taliban.
Thanks pal i appreciate it,
But i'm no hero, The heroes will always be the guys and girls who never come home.
 
Thanks pal i appreciate it,
But i'm no hero, The heroes will always be the guys and girls who never come home.

I knew you'd say you were no hero which is why I said it.

Because you never would



The folks that dont make it home are fallen hero's
The folks that go back time and time again are hero's

Anyone who puts there own life on the line for what they are being told is the greater good has my respect and gratitude


Thanks
 
And you know this how? I'm not having a go but until you've been in the situations a soldier fighting on the frontline gets into, you aren't really able to comment on how someone would deal with it.

I've argued with soldiers in the past and this is the default standard issue reply. Is this something they teach you as part of your training?
 
Thank God someone finally took the time to ban that douchebag. Five stars to that man, whoever he was and I genuinely hope it's a perma and not a suspension. The last thing this forum needs is people like him.

On topic, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. It was thought-provoking stuff and I enjoyed reading it.
 
Sad loss.. but yeah, great idea giving PTSD sufferers access to firearms.

Sorry, but only in America!

I agree - its wierd to me why americans would want guns all around - Ive been having 'discussions' about this topic with a freind of mine and on some american football forums and most of them think we deserve to have access to guns and should etc etc ...

meanwhile all these shootings take place - I just dont get it ...

they use the same retoric that the US did during the cold war - if they might have em I certainly need em ...
and then you have just about as many guns as people in the US.
 
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Thank God someone finally took the time to ban that douchebag. Five stars to that man, whoever he was and I genuinely hope it's a perma and not a suspension. The last thing this forum needs is people like him.

On topic, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. It was thought-provoking stuff and I enjoyed reading it.

Someone has a different opinion and you throw your rattle of of your pram. Very much like you. P.S why hasn't this thread moved to the section where all other RIP threads should go?
 
I agree - its wierd to me why americans would want guns all around - Ive been having 'discussions' about this topic with a freind of mine and on some american football forums and most of them think we deserve to have access to guns and should etc etc ...

And yet they don't seem to apply that logic to other areas of life. For example, the FDA are trying to ban electronic cigarettes (clearly to protect the profits of big tobacco and big pharma) and yet a petition to try and prevent this has garnered only a few thousand signatures, yet mention banning firearms and all of sudden to hear cries about ‘freedom’ and how government should dictate what people can or can’t own.
 
First off thank you all for the very kind comments, really does mean a lot to me so thank you.
estebanrey, i'm not sure what to say really, maybe the guys you've spoken to were acting macho i don't know.
I'd say that there are situations where taking the enemies life could maybe not be enjoyable but satisfying perhaps.
Especially if he's known to to have killed or injured any of your fellow friends in your company etc.
I think the thing is, a lot of the time during a contact, more so in afghan than iraq, the person firing at you is 95% of the time, hundreds of meters away.
So your just shooting at a figure, there's nothing really to distinguish them as a person, with feelings etc, which makes doing the job that little bit easier.
I think another factor that some soldiers get mixed up in is the adrenaline, the second a round whizzes past your head, or thumbs into the ground by you, the adrenaline rush is insane, i think it's this that maybe soldiers enjoy to a sense, and not the killing.
Speaking from my experiences as sniper in recce platoon, the task of contacting the enemy is far more difficult than a normal rifleman, because for the most part, you can see the person, their face and features, everything that make them not the enemy, but a person, with feelings etc.
I think this is what chris was getting at in the interview, it's true that you have to completely switch off to the fact that it's a person your seeing through the sight, you HAVE to see them as something else which is just a target, it's the only way to get the job done their and then.
Like i've mentioned already, it's this part i have problems with today, i find it very difficult to forget faces i've seen etc, i try not to look at people i don't know directly as if i spot someone which similar features etc, then that moment on tour comes back to me.
 
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