Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England

its not my fault? are you saying i have a fault in that i dont have sex with other men ?


No I think it was a bit of a spin on the selected quote. Ie that in isolation it implied you had some rumpled bum feathers and you didn't like it.

I could be entirely double whooshing myself here mind you..

to fix my fault, should i start trying to have sex with other men..

It might not hurt, well it might, but you get what I mean..

but i dont like it.. i dont want to, but how will i stop people calling me a bigot and homophobic ? i dont like gayness but to stop the name calling i guess i'll have to give it a go..

Yeah, love the gayness.
 
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Some random questions I have if anyone could answer them because I am confused and don't want to read way back in the thread.

Why does the church feel it owns the word and institute of marriage? I say this because marriage existed long before religion got ahold of it and made it it's own.

Why would gay people want to be married in a church, when most religions reject homosexuality?

It just seems strange to me how religion has come to believe marriage somehow needs their permission?
 
Errrr yes, sexually molesting an animal against it's will is obviously wrong!
I've also been chatted up a couple of times but unlike you I took it as a compliment and it actually made me smile/feel happy :-)

So heterosexuals can kiss and show affection in public but as soon as its gay people it's offensive/unacceptable ??

What makes me laugh is a load of the blokes that say this are the first to start screaming 'do it do it' when a couple of hot girls look like their going to get off with each other in a club/pub!!
Utter hypocrites with zero integrity:mad:


you've got it all wrong.. its normally a dog that starts first, you bend over to pick something up and its just there, quick as a flash..

yeah, gays chatting me up didnt really make me happy, just made me think, wtf, get away ?

i never said gay people couldnt kiss in public, they can do as they please, ive only said i dont like it.. offensive doesn't mean anything, its just a word, someone walking funny could be offensive to some and not to others, listening to justin bebier is offensive yet loved by others..

yeah i also dont like girls kissing each other in that way..
 
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Who said the internet couldn't shift people's opinions?

You enjoy yourself! Ignore the haters which, ironically, are you.

My god I think I love you. Your subtle use of ironing and sarcasm is a real turn on for me.

(Love & sex are dangerously close for me, but it makes it/me exciting)
 
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it doesnt matter to me what they get upto in bed, i just dont like it..


why arent i allowed to not like something ? why are you doing this to me man.
 
Growing up, I didn't think gay was right. Nowadays, I have no issue with it. And there is no argument against it; the argument will stem from your personal viewpoint and in this thread's case, God's interpreted viewpoint.

I mean who hasn't, after a family Christening played Limp Biscuit with your male relatives? Is it having fun or is it gay?

But with Parliament voting in favour of gay marriages, we need to tackle the real issue:

The union and love between a man and a woman and another woman. When is 'the man' going to stop discriminating?!
 
can someone explain what is so wrong about not liking gayness, like ive said, ive met lots of people that are nice friendly people that i have got on well with but their sexuality is something i dont like..

i also dont like s&m, i think its weird, i dont like it.. but ive also met someone who liked it.. he was ok but am i also an awful person for not liking what he gets upto ?

It's not about 'liking' it or not.
Hell I don't 'like' what gay people do...of course I don't because i'm straight. Gay people don't want everyone to 'like' what they get up to in the bedroom. They just want people to stop judging them for it, telling them how weird it is, telling them it's against nature, telling them it's disgusting and depraved. I'm pretty sure all they want is to be just left to be like everyone else and have their private life private JUST like everyone else does.

Why do you think about it so much if it's horrible to you?
The thought of 2 men together being intimate would be a horrible image to me too but guess what - the thought has never popped into my brain...not even now when i'm typing about it. So why is their intimate life even relevant?
Everything else they do together is no different to hetrosexual couples. It's only the sex life that will be different but you never have to see or deal with that so don't worry about it.
 
Hmm.

Absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, its 100% fine in my book- even my brother is.

I dont think they should be allowed to force a church who's tradition is against this however. Theyre not oppressing you but equally you should not opress them and their views.

Live and let live!

(Its not persecution, they wouldnt marry Jewish people either..! etc)
 
Hmm.

Absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, its 100% fine in my book- even my brother is.

I dont think they should be allowed to force a church who's tradition is against this however. Theyre not oppressing you but equally you should not opress them and their views.

Live and let live!

(Its not persecution, they wouldnt marry Jewish people either..! etc)

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about what these changes are about. No church is going to be forced to do anything, but those that want to (other than CoE and CoW) will be able to.

Aside from that the majority of heterosexual marriages in the UK are now civil ceremonies so there is not just a religious issue.

I struggle to see how religious freedom is actually impacted here.
 
Mickie no one says you have to 'like' the act of homosexual intimacy as such, more that you should be ambivalent to it. Of course as a heterosexual you don't find men or the thought of having sex with one appealing, nor do I but guess what? Some gay people feel exactly the same about the idea of doing it with a member of the opposite sex.

What you need to realise is that it is not a case that you are objectively correct that homosexual intercourse is disgusting or horrible, that it is only a subjective view of yours and a gay man who finds heterosexual intimacy just as unpleasant is only opinion and not a fact too. In short people are different and like different things.

I don't want to speak for the gay community but I'm sure they're fine with you not liking the idea of YOU having sex with a man or that you aren't turned on by gay porn; it's when you try to claim your view is that THEY shouldn't either where the problems arise.

You say you don't care what people get up to in their bedrooms and you're not a homophobe but clearly you have some issue with gay people as it's affecting your views on topics like this (I'm right in thinking you don't think gay people should be able to marry right?).

I also think that whilst you said you've 'met' gay people you need to get to know a few more and socialise with them. Knowing a a couple of gay blokes from your work isn't really going to broaden your mind or quash your prejudices.

For example, like you, I felt uncomfortable seeing gay people being intimate as well when I was a bit younger, seeing men snog for example I fiound very hard to stomach on the few occasions I was exposed to it. But then I went out with a girl that had a lot of gay friends, I started going to their parties and even to a few gay clubs and it made me a lot more comfortable with the issue.

I'm now not bothered at all by it, well no more bothered than I am by a straight couple trying to eat each other's faces in public.
 
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no i dont think i'll argue my case..

but this is a great place to air my views without my friends reading.. because they wont agree with my hard-case views..

most gay people are friendly and i get on with them face to face but deep down i think they make me feel sick.. i guess i dont understand why..

I can make a hypothesis. Well, two actually but one is a boring cliche that's far too politicised.

Have you considered the possibility that you're making it too subjective? It's pretty common for people to filter everything through themselves. We perceive everything through our own minds, after all. So I think it's possible that you're viewing homosexuality, perhaps not entirely consciously, in terms of having homosex yourself. Assuming you're heterosexual, that's going to be seriously unappealing, probably disgusting to make you feel sick deep down. It wouldn't be a surprising step from that to homosexuals making you feel sick deep down.

I use cheese as an analogy. Bear with me, it does make sense :) Cheese, especially cooked cheese, makes me feel sick deep down. The smell, the slimy stretchy ooziness...absolutely sickening. I will leave a room if someone brings cooked cheese into to. It's enough to make me retch and vomit. Cheese is vile...to me. It's totally subjective. So I consider it objectively - is there anything objectively wrong with eating cheese? Well, you could argue that dairy farming is objectively wrong on the grounds of treatment of animals. So there's a possible objective argument there, which is where the analogy falls down. But the basic point stands - consider homosexuality objectively. Where is the harm? If some other men want to have homosex or homosexual relationships, what does it matter? What objective harm is there that's in homosexuality but not heterosexuality? I don't see any. Do you? If so, what is it?

marriage was always supposed to be between a man and woman..

Why? Honest question. Don't bring up procreation, or else you're going to have to argue for infertile heterosexual people to be forbidden to marry and for all heterosexual marriages to be annulled when either partner becomes infertile (which would mean all heterosexual marriages in which the woman survives to menopause, i.e. nearly all of them).

i guess i kind of hate that gays want to force their way on other peoples lives and the church,

Few do. Very few at the moment. In fact, I've never met a homosexual person who does, and I've met many homosexual people. Wanting to use a particular word to describe a relationship (and that's all this is - an argument over a word, one which I think is bloody stupid) is not forcing your way on other people's lives and the church.

shouldn't they just accept they're different and not expect things to change because of them.. accept you're gay and accept that a lot of people wont like you.

What, like "blacks" in apartheid times should have done? If you think there's a difference...what do you think it is?

Things should change if they're unfair.
 
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