If you were to emigrate then which country would you go to, and why?

[FnG]magnolia;23719436 said:
NZ is pretty rad. If we had to move we'd go to Canada I suspect.

It's rad apart from the Earthquakes you get sometimes. :)

I must visit at some point in the next couple of years, but I suspect it'll be extremely expensive to do everything I want.

Is the cost of living in NZ as high as it is in Australia?

I always wonder why there are so many kiwis over here given what they have back home. I presume the plan is usually to acquire currency to set themselves up back in NZ. :p
 
It's rad apart from the Earthquakes you get sometimes. :)

I must visit at some point in the next couple of years, but I suspect it'll be extremely expensive to do everything I want.

There are earthquakes, yes. It's not a reason not to live here though.

What do you want to do?

Is the cost of living in NZ as high as it is in Australia?

No. Oz has obscene taxes and in the major cities the price of property would make you wince. NZ is, or at least can be, expensive depending on what you want to do and where you want to live but Oz right now is in a different ballpark, particularly Sydney.

I always wonder why there are so many kiwis over here given what they have back home. I presume the plan is usually to acquire currency to set themselves up back in NZ. :p

It's called the Great OE (Overseas Expedition) and is normally done beofre or just after Uni. NZ has a small population but has a landmass bigger than the UK. We're also pretty remote and the need to see some of the things we (Brits) take for granted is understandable.
 
[FnG]magnolia;23719436 said:
NZ is pretty rad. If we had to move we'd go to Canada I suspect.

My ex keeps trying to get me to move to Melbourne where she now lives (kiwi girl). I then see photos of Oz spiders and refuse to step foot on the soil there haha.

I reckon Canada would be my next choice too. I used to think the USA, but it's strange how you view the USA after living outside of the UK for a few years. The international press certainly isn't the most friendly towards it!

Narj, the earthquakes are interesting in the North island and far from scary. The house shakes as if a large truck goes past but thats it. Next thing you do is log on to the Geonet website so see how big it was! Christchurch gets hit bad, but North island is ok. Australia is horrendously priced compared to NZ. The banter between the two countries is funny (NZ sheep jokes, etc) but I'm sure they love each other really.
 
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Speaking as someone who has moved away from the UK I would disagree. I never ever want to move back. I don't mind visiting for the culture trips, but then again I don't mind visiting India or other overcrowded countries. Living there is a whole different matter.

In NZ I get paid more, fuel is cheaper, tax is less, land is everywhere, I don't sit on a motorway for an hour a day commuting, shop workers are friendly, you hardly ever queue in shops, Xmas isn't a pain as the shops and queues are still fine, house prices are cheaper and I can actually afford a house here next to the beach for cheaper than a flat in Southampton, there isn't a chav culture, if I phone my doctor I can see them the same day and there isn't a hoarde of people in the waiting room, you can get cheap domestic flights to fly around the country which don't invole ryanair, you can be at the beach and drive a few hours to ski in winter, you can easily go hunting if you're into that in the middle of nowhere as national parks are everywhere.

Everything is just so much easier day to day. Phoning banks gets someone local with no waiting on the phones, sorting out car documents you can just walk into the equivalent of the DVLA in town and ask questions, setting up bank accounts is simple and sorted same day. It's just much more of a personal experience dealing with companies and all the staff seem friendly and genuine. I used to dread having to phone Natwest! I recently had to call O2 back in the UK to sort out an old account issue. It was press 1 for this, press 3 for that, hold for ages. Reminded me of what frustrated me about day to day living in the UK. I can call my current mobile provider and just speak to someone straight away, same for the power company, etc, etc as everything is on a much smaller scale.

There are disadvantages too such as tropical rain, but I feel moving to NZ was the best thing I did. I was immensely unhappy living in the UK renting and not having my own place. I loved Devon but there were no real jobs there. In NZ I get countryside 5 mins from work and the job market is much better. Love it here.

The only saving grace about the UK is family and the OCUK forums :D

You must live out of any major cities then as Auckland suffers horrifically with traffic, for a country with ~ 4m people, House prices in Auckland, and surrounding suburbs is more expensive to rent and buy than in England, petrol is cheaper yes, but nott hat much, cars are a lot more expensive, and is part of the reason a lot of people drive around in old bangers, NZ isn't as green as a lot of people make it out to be, also you pay VAT (equivelent) on everything in NZ, and you pay tax on every penny you earn too. I've looked a lot recently into NZ, and i honestly think, apart from the weather, the scenery etc, i'd actually be worse off over there. Don't get me wrong though, i;d give it a go, but looking at the ex pat boards (google UK vs NZ living), there are a lot of people that have found the grass isn't greener.
 
You must live out of any major cities then as Auckland suffers horrifically with traffic, for a country with ~ 4m people, House prices in Auckland, and surrounding suburbs is more expensive to rent and buy than in England, petrol is cheaper yes, but nott hat much, cars are a lot more expensive, and is part of the reason a lot of people drive around in old bangers, NZ isn't as green as a lot of people make it out to be, also you pay VAT (equivelent) on everything in NZ, and you pay tax on every penny you earn too. I've looked a lot recently into NZ, and i honestly think, apart from the weather, the scenery etc, i'd actually be worse off over there. Don't get me wrong though, i;d give it a go, but looking at the ex pat boards (google UK vs NZ living), there are a lot of people that have found the grass isn't greener.

This is mostly ill-informed and I don't have the time nor patience to correct you. Regardless, it doesn't sound like a good move for you.
 
As an educated Canadian who, six years ago, could not wait to get out of Canada and come to the UK, I can't wait to go back.
Don't get me wrong, I do like living here; it's just that the quality of life is far better in Canada.

Is it the case of the grass is always greener on the other side syndrome? Twice?

What changed in 6 years? Why do you want to go back and the reasons that made you leave don't exist anymore?
 
You must live out of any major cities then as Auckland suffers horrifically with traffic, for a country with ~ 4m people, House prices in Auckland, and surrounding suburbs is more expensive to rent and buy than in England, petrol is cheaper yes, but nott hat much, cars are a lot more expensive, and is part of the reason a lot of people drive around in old bangers, NZ isn't as green as a lot of people make it out to be, also you pay VAT (equivelent) on everything in NZ, and you pay tax on every penny you earn too. I've looked a lot recently into NZ, and i honestly think, apart from the weather, the scenery etc, i'd actually be worse off over there. Don't get me wrong though, i;d give it a go, but looking at the ex pat boards (google UK vs NZ living), there are a lot of people that have found the grass isn't greener.

Fair enough. Given Magnolia and I have actually made the move, I would have to disagree (VAT here is 15% and the upper tax bracket is less so not sure about the tax argument) but I do agree it isn't for everyone. I have had a few mates that I made through work move back to the UK instead of stay here. Not because they didn't like it though, but mainly because you are pretty remote in the middle of nowhere and it isn't a "bustling" country if you like architecture, etc.

I grew up in the countryside so found NZ easy to adapt to, but can see how a born and bred Londoner may find it strange. Not for everyone for sure. if you like the outdoors it's great - so long as you realise 24 hours on a plane and horrendous prices getting back to the UK to visit family are worth it to you.
 
1- Lake Garda, Italy.

First holiday with my wife there and was very memorable + love Italian food :D

2- Canada
 
I grew up in the countryside so found NZ easy to adapt to, but can see how a born and bred Londoner may find it strange. Not for everyone for sure. if you like the outdoors it's great - so long as you realise 24 hours on a plane and horrendous prices getting back to the UK to visit family are worth it to you.

Not quite the same but when I was offered a job in Aus, I thought about the cost of getting back to the UK. As you say, when you take into account the exchange rate, it's pretty damned horrendous. I thought that selling your property in the UK before moving would not be a good move, it'd be more sensible to rent it out if possible until you're absolutely sure and settled.

Mags: If I were to visit, I'd like to get further out and see some of the amazing scenery properly, which would likely involve boat/plane/helicopter trips which I imagine would not be cheap. Loads of time in cities would feel like a waste of time to me. I'd like to do some of the more cheesy stuff like Nevis Bungee and whatnot as well.
 
Mags: If I were to visit, I'd like to get further out and see some of the amazing scenery properly, which would likely involve boat/plane/helicopter trips which I imagine would not be cheap. Loads of time in cities would feel like a waste of time to me. I'd like to do some of the more cheesy stuff like Nevis Bungee and whatnot as well.

It becomes a comparison between what you can afford and what you need to save for. The things you've mentioned aren't cheap but 'cheap' is kind of meaningless without knowing what you have to spend.

Many of the people I know from the UK considered their NZ/Australia trip a once in a life time trip, i.e. they knew it would be expensive, they planned extra holidays from work, came out and had a blast, went home with the itch satisfied and that was that.

Our situation was different as my wife is a kiwi and we'd been over 5 or 6 times for extended durations before we considered the move as a more permanent thing.

Anyway, enough about NZ, I want to hear from our resident Canuck :) Tell us about Canada dude :)


e : if the air fare back to the UK comes anywhere close to giving you concerns or is something you need to keep in the back of your mind then I'd be astonished if living here would work. I could be on a plane in 30 minutes if I had to and it would cost $1400 or 800 quid.
 
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The US would be my first choice, probably the west coast some where.

Wouldn't mind Japan either but like others mentioned the language would be an issue
 
I think some people in here need to listen to people that have actually emigrated instead of basing stuff on internet research. Don’t get me wrong people can always paint things to be better than it is but honestly if you have someone that has experienced both and knows which one is better to then that’s the point I would be listening too. You can read bad things about everything country in the world but if you haven’t emigrated how can you know what is best for you and if you like it.

I would love to emigrate but have a daughter with my ex so that isn’t an option to me unless she moves in with me and her mum is fine with her moving to the other side of the planet.... yeah right lol. Or when she is old enough to decide to come with me or look after herself here. I could move to NZ, Canada or Aus and hate it but until I try it I won’t know. Not matter how much "research" I do would tell me truthfully if it was the right or wrong move for me.
 
Moved to Australia in 2005, spent some time back in the UK since then due to work but Australia is now home (I have the passport as proof). Moved because of Men at Work - Down Under and Crocodile Dundee.....well at least that planted the seed as a child.

Every day I count myself lucky I'm in such a great place. There are some bad sides to it such as 4 close encounters with snakes in a 6 week period, but it's ok they were only Eastern Browns.........one of which was in our family room.
 
Germany, France, even Spain (away from tourists)
Personally I would like to move over to Eire, or even up to Scotland if they got independance ;) ) and run a smallholding. but the wifes not keen.
A friend emigrated to Oz many years ago. His standard of living is way, way above mine here. Too far from friends and family for me though :(
The UK is ok when the suns shining, but I fear for the future, and especially my sons future. Every year we seem to be sinking deeper into the mire.
 
America - I like America despite never being there,
France - I like France, but I don't really like the French :S

kd

I like Brittany (ok, maybe not "proper" France), I've spent a fair bit of time there and the people I met were wonderful. I don't think I could live in a city in france.
 
My brother moved out to Australia in 91 which is good as it means cheap holidays. Where as its great to go on holiday the only thing better than England is the weather. I hate the way everything is laid out and really does feel barren if you get what I mean (22 million across a continent). My brother lives in a outskirt of Brisbane and if you wanted to get anything you had to drive and drive and drive. His commute is something daft like 1 hour.

Also I have a uncle in Canada and that is a place I wouldn't mind living. He lives in Ontario so the weather is very similar to here but is more built up. I prefer the cosiness of England I guess. I have also done a road trip across the entire east coast of America (Ontario to Florida) and was less than inspired by the whole thing. Although I have never been to LA so can't really judge if that is any better.

Whenever I do go to Oz though I always spend the night in Japan on the way back (Normally fly JAL). Love the place and for a petrol head like myself is awesome but I am also Lazy and learning the language would be a pain. As would getting a job.

My dream place to live would be England with a climate of hot country without the bugs.
 
France

French wife... bi-lingual children... just worried about the job prospects.

I'm 33, well settled, nice house, good job.... if I move, I feel like I'd be starting again!
 
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