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So, to some people, as long as long as a girl is a high class hooker it's all right?
Prostitution - your stance
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Do you remember that scene in Pretty Woman where the sniffy clothes shop assistant makes some comments to Julia Roberts?
That was a great documentary and everything worked out well for her.
That was a great documentary and everything worked out well for her.
It's not about class, it's about how hot they are
Just kidding... just kidding...!
As a longtime resident of the Netherlands, I've partaken in a few "ladies of the evening" myself. I'm of 2 minds on the matter. On one hand it far more regulated and "clean" here in NL than most other places in the world. The girls are much safer, and receive proper medical care (for the most part). I've talked with a number of them after and indeed many were not in any sort of horrid situation, but rather just using what they had to get ahead in life. A particular favorite was putting herself thru college with the money. The world could take some lessons from NL with regards to prostitution.
On the other hand I must admit that however you regulate it, there is still room for exploitation. I've seen it myself, and on one occasion felt quite bad as I realized the girl I was with was in the grips of a rather dodgy bunch of blokes. I also have to say that the dehumanization thing is quite true. You become immune to the damage you know your doing, and see them just as an object to be used. It can be rather soul-destroying.
Personally I try and stick to the girls who are not (seemingly) being exploited, and shy away from the worst depths of it.
On the other hand I must admit that however you regulate it, there is still room for exploitation. I've seen it myself, and on one occasion felt quite bad as I realized the girl I was with was in the grips of a rather dodgy bunch of blokes. I also have to say that the dehumanization thing is quite true. You become immune to the damage you know your doing, and see them just as an object to be used. It can be rather soul-destroying.
Personally I try and stick to the girls who are not (seemingly) being exploited, and shy away from the worst depths of it.
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I know two people, one who uses them on a regular bases, his theory is that he would spend more on a night out in hope to meet some random skank and bang them than he would if he just cut to the chase and paid for a random skank to bang him.
I know of another person who is a stripper and is very wealthy, the husband doesn't work, he lives a high life... But she isn't just a stripper if you know what I mean. Not sure if he is aware what she does on the side or not.
I know of another person who is a stripper and is very wealthy, the husband doesn't work, he lives a high life... But she isn't just a stripper if you know what I mean. Not sure if he is aware what she does on the side or not.
We do live in a society without poverty. Sure we have relative poverty, but if you're starving and dying on the street is probably largely because you didn't seek the help available to you.
Personally I'm not sure it's morally right to forbid people from offering their body in return for money if thats what they want to be doing. Sure, I support regulation because we don't want people either being forced into it by others or due to a lack of choices, but I'm willing to bet there are woman who do it because it's easier and more rewarding than doing other jobs.
Is it morally right to tell others what they can and cannot do? I'm not so sure about that one, age of consent and vulnerability withstanding.
So long as the UK is considered a christian country it will not be legalised in the way it needs to be.
It goes against the countries moral fibre.
Personally I cannot see a problem with it's legalisation however is it really a valid career choice you'd want your wife or daughter undertaking? Would you like your daughter's guidence counseller at school to propose this as a valid career choice?
If you answer no to these questions then it really shouldn't be legalised should it?
It goes against the countries moral fibre.
Personally I cannot see a problem with it's legalisation however is it really a valid career choice you'd want your wife or daughter undertaking? Would you like your daughter's guidence counseller at school to propose this as a valid career choice?
If you answer no to these questions then it really shouldn't be legalised should it?
Not too long to go then.
You could use a very similar argument for other jobs which could be considered "unpleasant".
How about the army? Would you consider it morally fine to offer food to a starving man in exchange for him killing someone for you?
Thats all part of the regulation mate. Don't allow it to be pushed, just allow it to exist. That and setting up a support system so it never needs to be a choice that is taken.
If I had a daughter, I probably wouldn't like the idea. You do need to ask yourself, is it her choice or mine? If it's hers, your last statement doesn't actually make a great deal of sense.
Still freedom of choice isn't something that we all morally believe in this country so I guess thats a non-winnable argument.
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You make a good point but so does the parent. I think thats more an argument for bringing back free college and university education though. Open up choices to people and let them make the decision.
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Recently I saw a movie trailer call "The session" - is movie about A man in an iron lung who wishes to lose his virginity contacts a professional sex surrogate with the help of his therapist and priest.
Now that is effectively prostitution right? But yet the man would probably never get a girl otherwise. So I dont really see prostitution (pay for sex) as being morally wrong.
Now I fully aware the exploitation of poor family being force to provide sex service (I read somewhere that many girls is poor countries are being force to work webcam sites). It will always happened unless a industry body are setup to set out standards and protect these worker, just like... the companions in... firefly?
Now that is effectively prostitution right? But yet the man would probably never get a girl otherwise. So I dont really see prostitution (pay for sex) as being morally wrong.
Now I fully aware the exploitation of poor family being force to provide sex service (I read somewhere that many girls is poor countries are being force to work webcam sites). It will always happened unless a industry body are setup to set out standards and protect these worker, just like... the companions in... firefly?
Indeed, but as with all things it's a matter of degree & the potential suffering which could be endured.
Just because it exists in other forms, it doesn't mean we should open to door to all exploitation - to think like that would be to apply a level of dualism to a subject which isn't as simple as it's made out.
On first inspection people tend to think it's similar to smoking/taking drugs - but if you spend some time actually thinking about the subject it's actually very very different.
It isn't a liberty issue, or a moral legislative one - it's about structuring society in such a way we either inhibit or allow exploitative behaviour - again, as with all things like this simply a trade off.
The few genuine cases of people who do it freely & without critical financial needed being denied it a cost worth paying for to ensure that our most vulnerable people are not unduly exploited.
An element of hypocrisy also exists (not implying it does with you, but in general), as very few would like the idea of groups of men paying to sleep with their daughter if she ended up financially unstable (potentially through no fault of her own) - but it's fine for other peoples daughters/sisters/mothers to do.
No, why would I when it's already pretty obvious that I'm against exploiting poor people.
Is that business as usual?, or taking human commodification & exploitation of the vulnerable further? (when in reality we should be going the other way).
Whilst I would never be interested in it (why pay when it's available free) i'm in the same confused boat as you.
It's also like the fact that when you're 16 you can bang a 16 year old but you couldn't take a picture of them. Just doesn't make sense but then again laws are made by lawyers and tbh most of them seem to be lacking in any kind of common sense.
not sure thats entirely correct, you can still get charged with brothel keeping, which AFAIK is prosecutable offence ?
Exactly, keep the people who don't want to do it protected and out of the trade, and those of us who want to behave legitimately protected as well.