Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

elmarko1234 said:
Indeed it would be preferable, but I'd still have an issue with giving certain private corporations reduced labour & not others - it essentially gives them a market advantage (if it didn't, they wouldn't do it).
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I completely agree with what you are saying in principle but when considering the long term unemployed, or youngsters that have left school for a while and have no work experience at all, someone has to take a chance on these people and give them a go.

Unfortunately in the current state of the jobs market that is very unlikely, so in this instance, reducing labour costs to corporations/businesses may be the enticement to give these people a chance.
 
DampDog said:
I have to agree, in my book it sounds more like punishing people for being unemployed rather than making a real effort to help people at the bottom of the pile get back into work. More to do with political "spin" and the government wanting the public to see they are getting tough on the shirkers. It just looks to me that the present government have done their best to demonise the unemployed and blame them for all the countries woes. Certainly the benefit system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up because it's unsustainable in it's current form. But the bank of England has been pumping trillions into the system and that's not to pay people on benefits, it's to prop up the banks and business and the economy in general. RBS which WE now own a huge chunk of, are still paying £2 billion, in Bonuses this year. They say they have reduced them. In real terms it means they've reduced them from an average of £60K to £50K, Boo Hoo, they must be gutted. Why aren't those types of expenditure being singled out as unacceptable? It's all money in the pot, why is saving it from benefits anymore important than saving it there?

Rant over, I'll get me coat..:)
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If we want to get our money back on our stake in RBS, the bank needs to retain the staff that make profits, which means a market level renumeration package...
 
OldCoals said:
Your idea that some peoples labour is not worth the minimum wage speaks volumes about you to be honest.
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I can think of several people I know off the top of my head who are overpaid on minimum wage for what they do.

Minimum wage is both a good and a bad thing in my opinion, it stops employers from exploiting their employees but it also enables the employees to exploit the employer. It's also quite difficult to get rid of a useless employee who won't oblige by committing gross misconduct.

I'm not saying there are better systems out there as whatever system is put in place will be exploited anyway but it's sometimes hilarious seeing the quality difference in work between people all being paid minimum wage.
 
estebanrey said:
People mentioning doing unpaid Council labour instead, isn't that what people sentenced to community service get?

I can see it now, two guys painting a park fence talking and one says to the other "I mugged an old granny, what did you do?" and the other replying "Got made redundant by my last company"
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I have alwsys thought this too. it becomes even stranger when people advocate state job creation as an alternative when it is essentially the same thing.
 
Dolph said:
If we want to get our money back on our stake in RBS, the bank needs to retain the staff that make profits, which means a market level renumeration package...
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2.5 Million on the dole, There are plenty of people willing to be trained and do it for less. Barclay's are about to lay off 3700, there will be plenty to choose from shortly. If they want to go let them walk, recent economic disasters would probably make you think that most of these "High flying, experts" really hadn't got a clue anyway. If they had been, the "Clever money" would be safe, so why would almost every bank be in the same situation, They're sheep, they follow the markets and play fast and loose with other peoples money and get it wrong everytime the markets go through the boom-bust cycle. The notion that they are gifted or special or even experts is misguided.

To be honest the people I would be chasing are those that are claiming JSA and working on the the side, putting a bit more effort into chasing the dishonest instead of the unfortunate would sit better with everyone.
 
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estebanrey said:
Is that opinion or how else market forces would dictate their wage without NMW?
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It's my opinion that they're lazy wastes of space who are paid for doing very little. Obviously it's a management issue as they just don't know how to deal with them.

I don't really care all that much about it any more but it was annoying working there to see them being paid almost as much as me for not even a quarter of the work. On the other hand I can see where they were coming from, they were going to be paid the same regardless of their input so they were of the opinion of why bother. Of course, they're still stuck there with that attitude whereas I've escaped.
 
Not so sure it would be a bad thing if the Government win their appeal, the girl could then take it to Strasbourg and have the whole thing completely abolished.
Just pay up the comp Drunken Smith and accept you've been put in your place by a girl. HA,HA, Yay for Girl power.
 
I have started an online petition calling for a Police investigation into the Governments unlawful forced labour. Just got to wait for it to be approved, upto seven days then I will post a link for anyone who may wish to sign it.
 
spankingtexan said:
I have started an online petition calling for a Police investigation into the Governments unlawful forced labour. Just got to wait for it to be approved, upto seven days then I will post a link for anyone who may wish to sign it.
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Have you actually read the judgement?

I need to know before I can determine whether your position is ill-informed or just irrational.
 
spankingtexan said:
If the petition is approved you have the choice to sign or not, it's up to you, and yes I have read the judgement.
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Ok, if you have read and understood the judgement, you would know that the scheme is not forced labour and not a breach of human rights as this was explicitly affirmed in the judgement. The issue was with the inconsistent application and unclear definition of sanctions within the program, not with the idea of working for benefits.

With that in mind, I can only assume that your petition is either an irrational partsian attack against the government and the rights of taxpayers, or a deliberate attempt to spread your inability to understand the law by appealing to others with an equal lack of critical thinking in an attempt to affect some form of political change of the like the electorate has already rejected.

So no, I won't be signing your petition, because it's the result of either dishonesty, irrationality or good old fashioned stupidity.
 
Virtually I see it being little different to Voluntary work, I used to be a volunteer coordinator and know for a fact that in a good % of cases volunteering actually is a pretty good route into paid employment even when young people had admitted to me, they felt they had NO CHANCE of finding work.

In my opinion this will eventually work..

But only for those that really want to work.

Unfortunately for some, its the only way in the world of work today.
 
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