Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

[wannabedamned]

Well, I think scrapping this scheme is horse crap. This scheme helped me into work a while back.

I worked for a computer shop a few years ago, fixing laptops and PCs, and I got nothing other travel travel expenses and my benefits.

it wasnt the experience that helped me into work, as I had that already in better positions, it was the fact employers saw that I was willing to work, and I wasnt just another lazy bum collecting JSA and not looking for work.

People who see this as slave labour, or whatever miss the point of the scheme. Its not like its offered to people who have just gone on JSA either, its for people who have been on it over 12 months. And they arent expected to be on the scheme the entirety of their time on JSA, its for a few weeks\a month.

Although I stayed on after my month was up, as I understood the value of getting my backside out of bed and doing some work. And I understood it looked good to a potential employer.

 

[spankingtexan]

Well, I think scrapping this scheme is horse crap. This scheme helped me into work a while back.

I worked for a computer shop a few years ago, fixing laptops and PCs, and I got nothing other travel travel expenses and my benefits.

it wasnt the experience that helped me into work, as I had that already in better positions, it was the fact employers saw that I was willing to work, and I wasnt just another lazy bum collecting JSA and not looking for work.

People who see this as slave labour, or whatever miss the point of the scheme. Its not like its offered to people who have just gone on JSA either, its for people who have been on it over 12 months. And they arent expected to be on the scheme the entirety of their time on JSA, its for a few weeks\a month.

Although I stayed on after my month was up, as I understood the value of getting my backside out of bed and doing some work. And I understood it looked good to a potential employer.

Far from offering sustainable employment, workfare schemes are ineffective and exacerbate a low-wage economy.

 

[wannabedamned]

Far from offering sustainable employment, workfare schemes are ineffective and exacerbate a low-wage economy.

You think getting someone to work for a month is a bad idea? You think taking someone from a stagnant unemployed life and putting them into a workplace environment for a few weeks is a bad thing?

Like I said, its not like they're forced to do it full time or for the rest of the time they're on JSA. Its just a few weeks. Its a brilliant idea and helps to show employers a potential employees willingness to work.

Its on the same level of sending them to college for a month to teach them how to interview and write CVs. Is that a bad idea too? its taking up a classroom that could go to a "real student"

 

[spankingtexan]

You think getting someone to work for a month is a bad idea? You think taking someone from a stagnant unemployed life and putting them into a workplace environment for a few weeks is a bad thing?

Like I said, its not like they're forced to do it full time or for the rest of the time they're on JSA. Its just a few weeks. Its a brilliant idea and helps to show employers a potential employees willingness to work.

Its on the same level of sending them to college for a month to teach them how to interview and write CVs. Is that a bad idea too? its taking up a classroom that could go to a "real student"

But of course it's a bad thing, the schemes DON'T WORK and this may surprise you "IT'S ILLEGAL"

The DWP have also virtualy now adimtted their schemes are a punishment as they are now refering to it as a "Short sharp shock" It is forced unpaid labour and that is the point.

 

[wannabedamned]

Why would you be wasting your time? Also it does work. It is punishment for some yes, but it DOES work. The only problem with it now is its been deemed illegal. Which I suppose is a slight problem

But I know several people who got jobs with the employer who they were with while on the scheme. I would have also been one of them. But I found a better job elsewhere. But one of the people I worked with at the computer shop was previously on the scheme.

 

[GAC]

Well, I think scrapping this scheme is horse crap. This scheme helped me into work a while back.

I worked for a computer shop a few years ago, fixing laptops and PCs, and I got nothing other travel travel expenses and my benefits.

thats a bit of a difference than poundland and no travel expenses which many people have been stuck at. im sure if there where offers like that for all with experience and jobs that are actually in line with there back ground it would work better.

but stacking shelves for jsa a few weeks isnt going to do anything other than sew resentment of the whole system and the supposed help it provides.

 

[ShakenNstirred]

I still don't understand why everyone kicked off about this scheme...

You worked 11.5 hrs a week and got paid your standard £71 which you would earn anyway except you weren't sat on your **** at home watching Jeremy Kyle

So the reason why people kick off cause they had to work for the money...which is what working people do anyway...and there was also the prospect of full time/ higher paid wages at the end...

Edit: Genuinely confused, not trolling! Can someone explain it to me like I am a 5 year old (which today I feel like )

she wasn't sitting at home though she was doing voluntary work at a local museum so why didn't they just let her carry on doing that and not make her work in poundland

 

[wannabedamned]

she wasn't sitting at home though she was doing voluntary work at a local museum so why didn't they just let her carry on doing that and not make her work in poundland

Now that I didnt see. But I cant understand why that wouldnt have been possible. Unless the museum refused it. If its the same scheme I was on, we had the option of approaching employers with information about the scheme, the employer even gets money for taking on a person for the month!

Strange

 

[GAC]

Now that I didnt see. But I cant understand why that wouldnt have been possible. Unless the museum refused it. If its the same scheme I was on, we had the option of approaching employers with information about the scheme, the employer even gets money for taking on a person for the month!

Strange

how long ago was this ??

 

[wannabedamned]

2 years ago in june

 

[GAC]

so not workfare then, had doubts when you said you got travel expenses.

 

[estebanrey]

I wish someone would find Cait Reilly dead in a car park.*

* Legal notice. This is a poor attempt at humour, I do not advocate or condone murder and hope Cait Reilly remains in good health (we don't need her claiming incapacity benefits as well).

 

[GAC]

some more idiotic ranting from ids on the bbc, this guy really needs a good kicking as his ideas and views are getting more and more victorian.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21490542

 

[ilcp]

they could require those on benefits to clean their local area, parks/streets etc.. that way our streets would be cleaner, those on benefits will get some experience.

 

[spankingtexan]

LOL, I think ids needs to chill, he's starting to act like a mardy arsed little child who can't have his sweets, it's starting to get embarrassing now, the DWP's statement also sounds childish...

Court of Appeal judgment on Government employment schemes

12 February 2013

Responding to today’s Court of Appeal judgment on Government employment schemes, Minister for Employment, Mark Hoban, said:


"The court has backed our right to require people to take part in programmes which will help get them into work. It’s ridiculous to say this is forced labour. This ruling ensures we can continue with these important schemes.

"We are however disappointed and surprised at the court's decision on our regulations. There needed to be flexibility so we could give people the right support to meet their needs and get them into a job. We do not agree with the court's judgment and are seeking permission to appeal, but new regulations will be tabled to avoid any uncertainty.

"Ultimately the judgment confirms that it is right that we expect people to take getting into work seriously if they want to claim benefits."


And if ids really thinks this is the end of it he must be on drugs.
Get signing those compo cheques and be quiet.

 

[GAC]

they could require those on benefits to clean their local area, parks/streets etc.. that way our streets would be cleaner, those on benefits will get some experience.

and many would do it as long as it was local and not miles away.

 

[spankingtexan]

they could require those on benefits to clean their local area, parks/streets etc.. that way our streets would be cleaner, those on benefits will get some experience.

On the other hand they could employ them full time, take them off benfits and pay a living wage, if their is sweeping up to be done then there is a paid job there.
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[wannabedamned]

On the other hand they could employ them full time, take them off benfits and pay a living wage, if their is sweeping up to be done then their is a paid job there.
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Not really, as with most of these types of job schemes you are essentially surplus to requirement. You're there for the scheme and your own benefit.

Similar to when you're placed for work experience in school\college\uni. If you werent doing the job, an employee would.

 

[Skillmister]

Which is why it is total bull ****. It isn't high school "work experience". It's a full time paid job, exactly the same as the guy next to you, except it's for £2 an hour.

 

[spankingtexan]

Which is why it is total bull ****. It isn't high school "work experience". It's a full time paid job, exactly the same as the guy next to you, except it's for £2 an hour.

I feel sorry for the bloke who gets told by the coucil he's to be made redundant because the benefit claiment can do his job for peanuts.

Then again, you could be alongside a convicted criminal on benefit sentenced to community service. Forced labour for no pay must never be allowed