Dangerous Dogs.

In fact, following on from this the most unpredictable dogs I have come across are border collies
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I assumed you said this because they are a small and inoffensive looking when in certain circumstances they can be the opposite? Mine won't let anybody near me at night (when out in the dark). He hates other dogs, horses and prams/pushchairs.

In January 2011, a Border Collie was reported to have learned 1,022 words, and acts consequently to human citation of those words.[
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Lol. We have to use coded words in our house to prevent him getting the wrong end of the stick (no pun intended).
 
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Rroff said:
I mostly glossed over it as it makes an already complicated arguement even more so...

Even tho bull breeds are trained for animal agression its fairly well known that once their blood is up often they go for anything people or otherwise quite often even their handlers.

Also gets a bit complicated with those others you listed i.e. while Bullmastiffs have been long bred for people aggression Rottweilers are mostly trained for people agression by their owners individually and breeding for such isn't as common (AFAIK isn't part of their "pedigree"), likewise I believe GSDs.
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With the greatest respect your ignorance shows, and I don't mean that in a negative way. GSDs and Rotties are required by the national Kennel Club to pass people-aggression tests in their native land, in order to be allowed to be shown and/or bred from. Many of these dogs are exported and are cornerstones of successful UK lines.

Simply by using terms like 'blood up' you portray your naive understanding of canine psychology. Bull breeds most certainly are not generally indiscriminate in who and what they bite once they are in prey (or even defence) drive. Neither are most other breeds. In fact as I already alluded in my first post, bull breeds are specifically bred to not become indiscriminate biters when they are in high prey drive, else they'd bite anyone and everyone during work or fights (whether when catching bulls and pigs, or fighting in a match following round-by-round to the old rules). Do you really think the ref or either of the two handlers want to be bitten repeatedly while standing in the box for a couple of hours with two fighting dogs? It simply doesn't work that way.

Actually, Pit Bulls et al. are renowned for keeping their cool under such pressure and this is what makes them celebrated search and rescue dogs, detection dogs, farm dogs, therapy dogs, and even police and war dogs.

As I said I'm not attacking you for your naiveté but it'd be remiss not to point it out. As I said I have over two decades experience keeping, breeding and working bull breeds, guardian breeds and hunting dogs and I can assure you you're founding your assertions on faulty foundations. :)
 
As an aside on the topic of 'dangerous dogs', three of the breeds banned under the DDA (Fila Brasiliero, Dogo Argentino and Tosa Inu) had either one or no known specimens in the country at the time of the ban. The Dogo and Tosa are not known internationally as problem breeds (indeed the Dogo is a pack hound and fantastic with children), and there are zero incidences involving these dogs on British shores. The Fila on the other hand is bred intentionally with a low stimulus threshold and an inborn hatred for strangers, making it ideal for its task in its homeland but perhaps less suitable for the UK.

As such even the selection of breeds under the DDA is ridiculous, as is the notion of 'dangerous dogs'. Statistics show if you really want to impact on aggressive dogs and dog-related fatalities and injuries, you'd be far better off banning Labradors, Collies and toy breeds. That's cold hard facts not hyperbole.
 
Most of the dogs mentioned on this page are all molosser types or bred with molosser types. Which if you go far enough back, where bred as dogs of war. They've been used as everything from attack dogs, to family pets throughout history.

You can breed a dog for sight. You can breed a dog for smell. You can breed a dog for it's size. You can't breed a dog for aggression. That's like saying you can breed people to be aggressive and as far as I'm aware, that type of talk isn't wildly supported beyond neo-nazis. Nature / nurture. Responsible owners / scumbag owners. Whatever.

It's not a case of big dogs being more violent. It's a case of big dogs simply being able to do more damage.
 
Skillmister said:
Exactly. If a snappy little jack Russell comes up and starts ****ing with my dog that's not going to worry me. A staffy on the other hand..
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Even a snappy jack Russell makes it hard work walking my Jap Akita Ali, Not that a small dog will harm him, but the constant Barking by the smaller dogs just winds him up no end. This is why I have to muzzel him and keep him on a lead on public walks, just to be certain he won't do anything when he gets wound up by other dogs that are running around with no owner to be seen.:mad:
 
Rainmaker said:
GSDs and Rotties are required by the national Kennel Club to pass people-aggression tests in their native land, in order to be allowed to be shown and/or bred from. Many of these dogs are exported and are cornerstones of successful UK lines.
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Yes because training and breeding for people aggression isn't uncommon with that type of dog but thats not the original pedigree like it is with say Mastiffs which tend to be a much more selectively bred pedigree in that regard.

Regarding bull breeds my useage of the word handler was a bit misleading (I kind of consider them a breed that needs a handler not an owner) - I'm talking in the context of general ownership of bull breeds and people owning a breed they have no idea how to handle which is where you get the scenarios where they get their "blood up" go crazy and attack anyone and anything and you end up with general public, other animals, etc. getting mauled or killed (and then uploaded to youtube).


EDIT: To be upfront I'm no expert in the field, I helped a friend study for an animal psychology exam (degree) once and I rarely forget anything I read.
 
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Yes because training and breeding for people aggression isn't uncommon with that type of dog but thats not the original pedigree like it is with say Mastiffs which tend to be a much more selectively bred pedigree in that regard.

Regarding bull breeds my useage of the word handler was a bit misleading (I kind of consider them a breed that needs a handler not an owner) - I'm talking in the context of general ownership of bull breeds and people owning a breed they have no idea how to handle which is where you get the scenarios where they get their "blood up" go crazy and attack anyone and anything and you end up with general public, other animals, etc. getting mauled or killed (and then uploaded to youtube).
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Where to begin... :o
 
Don't be too mad if the police don't take any action.

There's nothing in law to say an animal can't kill another even if they're pets. Pets aren't classed as property so :/ it only becomes an offence in law if the dog bites you I the process or if you feel threatened by the dog: ie you seriously thought it would bite you at any moment. But since you weren't there when your cat was attacked you can't say this.

Although its horrible to think of a poor defenceless cat being mauled by some big ugly vicious chav dog, unfortunately there's no law against it :(
 
Da[]San;23776681 said:
I still can't believe in this day and age there are such stupid, ****less, irresponsible people that think its acceptable to have a dangerous Pit Bull type dog outside on its own.

I came home last night to find out my cat of 15 years had not just bee attacked but savaged by this dog. Needless to say I'm gutted and angry.

The Dog Wardens are not available so I've been in touch with 101 the Police said they couldn't do anything without an address. So we've done the detective work for them, literally drive round the area for 5 minutes and we found the dog sat on the garden in front of the flats its owner has. Apparently the local smack head.

Hopefully now we've told them were it lives they can sort out the dog and the idiot selfish smack-head.
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put down the owners, not the dog.
 
This is not a likely story

But how can you be 100% sure the dog wasn't simply defending itself from a cat that was out on its own unsupervised.



I know thats not the case but I'm just offering up another side to the arguement. Gutted for you though.

I'm amazed though that some cats still get attacked they can jump climb and run bloody fast yet still get attacked
 
ACEOWNER said:
Think you're onto something here. My uncles has been aggressive since being a pup. If you didn't show it any attention every few minutes it would snap at you. He tried training it out of the dog but it's still aggressive to this day and it's fairly old.
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You've hit the nail on the head in your post.

That dog is the pack leader. he's demanding attention and snapping if he doesn't get it. Training itself doesn't tell the dog who is or who isnt the boss.
 
Yes it is how you treat your dog, I have a rotty that is very much socialised and wouldnt hurt a flea... she is great around kids and has a great temperament.

You need to train dogs and be responsible for them!

Stelly
 
I used to have a Rottweiler/Doberman cross and she was the softest thing ever. I think it's because I used to torment her while she was a puppy. I used to dress her up and paint her nails, carry her everywhere until she got too big, used to make her jump over horse jumps at the stables for food/treats. Used to come everywhere with me! And so she ended up being soft, wouldn't dare bite anyone, but people used to be nervous of her because of her breed.
 
so the dog broke into your house / garden and attacked your pet? or did you release your pet into the area and hope it would not get attacked?
 
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