As things currently stand you have a god that watches things like innocent children being raped and says "it's okay I'll allow this to happen, but I'll be punishing you later".
Your gods a no disguised swearing!.
Anyone ever become an atheist after believing?
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As things currently stand you have a god that watches things like innocent children being raped and says "it's okay I'll allow this to happen, but I'll be punishing you later".
Your gods a no disguised swearing!.
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Moreover, why did he give us the ability to commit these deeds whilst telling us not to do them...surely you just stop at the first hurdle and disallow evil.
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I dunno, none of it makes any sense... but it's a good job this isn't the mental ravings of ignorant desert peoples of the ancient world and is the true word of god, otherwise it would just be complete twoddle
I'm going to pop back in to say it sounds like some people here don't understand their own society.
Government lets it's people have free will but they also impose laws on us, you still have free will to go out and break those laws. Yet you're not fighting against government saying it's not free will and that they're stupid.
It seems like people here would rather God be a dictator and make you do what he wants and that's it. A God that creates people to worship him without choice is not a God.
Government lets it's people have free will but they also impose laws on us, you still have free will to go out and break those laws. Yet you're not fighting against government saying it's not free will and that they're stupid.
It seems like people here would rather God be a dictator and make you do what he wants and that's it. A God that creates people to worship him without choice is not a God.
If your god creates miracles, which intervene in free will, then how could we have free will in the first place?
And if your god doesn't do any good acts, because it "intervenes with free will", then how do you decide that your god is actually "good"?
That has nothing to to with anything that a god may or may not have done though. There is no plausible explanation that involves a god granting us this ability.
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Jason2, you are the closest to breaking any rules now. Please be open and accepting of the beliefs of others else you'll find yourself unable to post.
Yes, and Christianity is not
No-one is born an atheist. You are born agnostic.
Jason2, you are the closest to breaking any rules now. Please be open and accepting of the beliefs of others else you'll find yourself unable to post.
Yes, and Christianity is not
No-one is born an atheist. You are born agnostic.
I find it extraordinarily difficult to accept that even the staunchest follower believes that the Abrahamic God is good.
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Thats not really the best analogie though is it.
It would be better to say we had a goverment thousands of years ago that set out some rules and then promptly disolved itself. The rules it passed often contradict themselves, are vague and open to abuse. Whats more they were written in a language that is now dead, requiring a human hand to transcribe them into modern text, leaving them open to human interferance. Around the same time several other "goverments" did the same trick, most of which make it clear that you're very naughty to follow the other "fake governments". On top of that, this government in exile refuses to show the world that it is infact still ticking along in the back ground. No hard evidence is ever given. Occasionally they might pop down and save the odd individual, but they do it in such a way that no one can be 100% sure who did it.
Way to go in confusing people. Sounds like we're being set up to fail!
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Jason2, you are the closest to breaking any rules now. Please be open and accepting of the beliefs of others else you'll find yourself unable to post.
Yes, and Christianity is not
No-one is born an atheist. You are born agnostic.
How can you ban me for stating my beliefs? I'm the one who's been insulted by being referred to as mentally ill.
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Jason2, you are the closest to breaking any rules now. Please be open and accepting of the beliefs of others else you'll find yourself unable to post.
Yes, and Christianity is not
No-one is born an atheist. You are born agnostic.
EDIT: Wait, I'm not going to get into it. You are all too full of hate and ignorance.
Nobody referred to you as mentally ill, which is why it was removed without sanction. This is also why I said 'you are now' the closest to breaking rules'.
I see all mass religions as crazy and it amuses me that a follower of one defines all others as crazy, that is all
Pardon?
I don't hate religion and I'm not particularly ignorant of it either, or were you being negative towards me and some others here without particularly understanding our beliefs?
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I don't get why people get so heated over religion?
Actually, we are all born implicit atheists - we lack a belief in a deity.
We are not born agnostic as we don't have capacity to view the concept of a deity as being unknowable - neither are we born as an explicit atheist (as we lack the ability to reject the concept)
Agnosticism also requires a level of intelligence to comprehend.
Implicit atheist is simply the lack of a belief - requiring no cognitive function.
Implicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".
Explicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief due to a conscious rejection of it".
Agnosticism = "the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable."
We are not born agnostic as we don't have capacity to view the concept of a deity as being unknowable - neither are we born as an explicit atheist (as we lack the ability to reject the concept)
Agnosticism also requires a level of intelligence to comprehend.
Implicit atheist is simply the lack of a belief - requiring no cognitive function.
Implicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".
Explicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief due to a conscious rejection of it".
Agnosticism = "the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable."
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Because of the lies/untruths it teaches, and because of the awful things done in the name of it, amongst other reasons.
I see all mass religions as crazy and it amuses me that a follower of one defines all others as crazy, that is all
You know he only believes in 1 god out of the best part of 3000 gods... that's close enough tbh, hes an atheist
Are you one of those people who believes evil wouldn't exist if religion didn't?
I'm not doubting most religions are evil, but I'm not a religious guy. I have relationship with our creator, and that is a beautiful thing.
Are you one of those people who believes evil wouldn't exist if religion didn't?
If you genuinely think that is the crux of that argument then you couldn't have it anymore wrong.