No i didn't miss the point at all fella, i understand what your saying. We have the pleasure of seeing that in slow mo, different angles...etc etc but in reality the difference is literally milliseconds and intent has everything to do with it. Nani was controlling the ball and was punished with a red card wihch he shouldnt have been. It was extremely unfortunate and personally one the ref got wrong. He also missed the keeper punching the man u guy in the face...rolfcopter!
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Which is exactly how Real got back into the game, Utd eased off right after the goal and the game completely changed in Real's favour, and after Real scored their second they did exactly the same thing. It happened twice in the game, and not when Nani was sent off, which implies the biggest changes were choices the teams made, not the sending off.
Yes, you specifically said dangerous play isn't a sending off, but Serious foul play is, and dangerous play is deemed as serious foul play, you either don't understand this, or you're being a pedant, in which case, boo off.
Nani isn't a player on my black list, I have no blacklist, only people with no argument come up with such things, I don't agree Rooney is the best player in the world therefore I hate him... lol. I have no issue pointing out when RVP throws an elbow, or when Nani scores a cracker, or when anyone does anything. Nani is a good player, the only "negative" thing I've said about him was a couple of years ago when Utd fans all proclaimed him the best player in the league, I merely suggested that one season isn't a basis for a player being brilliant or not, if he can maintain that form over several seasons he could be the best player in the league... he wasn't, Utd fans don't coo over him anymore.
Nani did very well to get the goal, he was persistant and won the ball off a indecisive Varane and put in a dangerous ball(no he didn't deserve a red card for the dangerous play there) that was into a great area, forcing a player to deal with it, which he screwed up. See positive, he also did a ridiculous flying kick, catching a player with his studs and full body weight, it was as obvious a red card as anything else.
You should go back and read that quote on serious foul play, does each situation use the word tackle? no, a tackle is not necessary for a red card, controlling the ball doesn't absolve him of responsibility for what he's doing on the pitch, a high foot on its own, with little momentum, the other foot planted on the floor and no contact often gets a foul and sometimes a yellow card, contact would more frequently be a yellow card, off the ground, full speed, moving in the direction of the player and making bad contact is a red, always has been, always should be.
The vast vast majority of red cards have zero intent beyond trying to win the ball associated with them. He wasn't the sole man on a pitch, he knows where he is and should realise there is a very high chance of someone from the opposite team also going for the ball. Not seeing him absolves him of nothing. Reckless/dangerous is just that, if a player is there or not, on a football pitch the first thing you should do is assume there IS a player there, and only if you KNOW there isn't is doing something like that okay. Ignorance isn't a defence and nor should it be, intent isn't required, what his intention actually was is irrelevant.
Like it or not, it doesn't. Not according to the rules anyway.
You can try to control the ball in a way that puts the opposition player in danger. Nani studded Arbeloa in the chest by trying to control the ball. He was sent off for studding Arbeloa in the chest, not because he tried to control the ball.
Apparently a lot of ex footballers are wrong then, and Adrien Chiles is correct with his rulebooook!
You just gotta look at the Real Madrid players as well, none of them made a song and dance about it, they would be the first to try and get someone sent off.
You just gotta look at the Real Madrid players as well, none of them made a song and dance about it, they would be the first to try and get someone sent off.
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There would have to have been some pretty big mafia involvement for that game to have been fixed. Man Utd got screwed over the decision, but - as a neutral - it looked to me that they sat back too much with 11 men, let alone 10.
I think Morinho was being bizarrely and uncharacteristically diplomatic by saying the better team lost - maybe he was hoping for a better bottle of wine from Fergie?
Going down to ten men and not reacting quickly enough to the changes that created and the not reacting quickly enough to the changes Madrid made, ultimately, cost United the game. Mourinho was very quick to make changes once United went down to ten men and fully capitalised on the reduction in numbers.
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Reminded me of the Chico Flores high foot against Adebayour. Almost no contact but then why give the ref an excuse.
I turned it off at half time
I turned it off at half time
he didn't celebrate when he scored for us against Sporting either and that was years ago.
Dangerous play is a different offence in the rule book to serious foul play and carries a maximum punishment of a yellow card. I'm not being pedantic. You are interpreting the serious foul play as the same thing because it uses the word endanger. Its just not.
I'm not disputing that the referee has seen it as serious foul play even though I (and many others) think he's wrong but if he saw it as dangerous play he could only have given a yellow card.
How dare you, it's all the referees fault, it's not like they have ever benefited from decisions before is it, maybe next time they will remember this, but I doubt it
As it's you Baz, I'll take "it was a harsh red" as the best I'm going to get.
I think most people would disagree with this. You show an extreme degree of favoritism to certain players and the rest are just rubbish and can do no right. Perhaps it shouldn't be brought up here but I know you don't particularly like Nani which probably drives what you're saying. Were it Bendtner... we all know what the story would be!
I believe he was trying to control a ball, and his actions were very normal for such a thing. I don't think it was a 'ridiculous flying kick' at all.
I understand what the rules say, and I don't think the 'challenge' meets the criteria. Quite simple really. 99.9% of people generally seem to be in agreement, so perhaps your interpretation isn't correct.
I understand why it was given, but I don't think the ref was completely certain as I said with Baz earlier - therefore a yellow and a talking to would have done. That is what is expected in this situation as it happens so often. A red is over the top. About 3 or 4 other players should have probably been sent off if this warrants a red card, namely the goalkeeper for punching Vidic square in the head - doesn't he have control of his arms or something, blah blah.
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As for the above about not collapsing after the red card - that would have been nice. Fergie should have immediately thrown on Rooney, someone who can go forward when required but also work extremely hard defensively to protect the back four. I can understand his fury, but the reality is a decision such as this is never rescinded immediately by the ref, I don't even know if it can be. Protesting is a waste of time. Stay composed and make it hard for the opposition.
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It's a fair point.
After the red I expected ManU to ultimately lose but I was quite shocked at how wrong it went and how quickly.
A lot of media battering Fergie for changing too slow after the red and, unsurprisingly, lots of outlets making a meal of Rooney not starting. It was working up until the red.
The tactics were nigh on perfect up to that point. While we had sat back a little bit after the goal - that doesn't mean it would have stayed that way. It was probably just to ensure they didn't get a quick reply (as often happens).
The red messed everything up and we didn't have answer to it. The manager and coaching staff should have done something (bar stand on the touchline shouting and screaming). Surely in a game such as this you should always have a plan if a player is - rightly or wrongly - sent off. It's not as if red cards are rare these days.
An attempt to park the bus would have been nice, it can work: see Chelsea v Barcelona second leg last year. Okay there's always the chance someone will rifle in a screamer from god knows where, but not the edge of your 18 yard box. Not twice. Take it to penalties.
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Thats a Daily Mail article AND it's written by MARTIN SAMUEL who's the worst of a very bunch of sports writers for that paper!
In the first 2 paragraphs there are 2 grammatical errors not saying my English is perfect but I don't write for a national newspaper
The thing that surprised me was how good Modric was when he came on, he was the only RM player who could actually put their foot on the ball and slow things down and scored an unbelievable effort. Kaka, what a disappointment he is now. Khedira, Alonso and Di Maria were all poor.